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  《搜索》被视为陈凯歌继《和你在一起》十年之后再度尝试现实主义题材的作品。其实,这十年之中他执导的《无极》《梅兰芳》《赵氏孤儿》,无一不在折射出当下的社会价值观及对人性的思考。正如陈凯歌所说,“身在一个目迷五色的时代变化中,而不能做出反应,实在太可惜。”

《search》Be regarded as the Chen kaige《With you》Ten years after trying again realism, the theme of works。In fact,The ten year he directed《promise》《Mei lanfang》《Weak orphans》,No not reflects the current social values and thinking of humanity。As Chen kaige said,“The body in a time of change in the dazzling3 archipelago,And not a response,It's too bad。”

  这部影片的题材一度让我联想到《手机》,而从个人隐私随时可能被曝光于天下的角度来看,互联网时代远比手机时代更恐怖。但看完影片,才发现陈凯歌涉及的层面更广,人肉搜索只是引发一系列蝴蝶效应的引子,小三、家庭冷暴力、网络暴力、媒体的报道是否就是真相等社会热点话题,在片中一一呈现,而且每条线索和每个人物的笔墨都相当平均。而对于这部作品即将出现的关注和争议,陈凯歌也向我们做出了自己的解读。

The film's themes once reminds me to《Mobile phone》,And from personal privacy may at any time by exposure in the world's point of view,The age of the Internet age than mobile phones more terrorist。But watch the video,Found that the level of Chen kaige involves more widely,Human flesh search just cause a series of butterfly effects overture,Small 3、Family cold violence、Network violence、Media reports whether is the truth and other social hot topics,In the film appear one by one,And every clue and each character's words are average。And for this work appears to be coming concern and controversy,Chen kaige we made himself to the reading。

  探讨 1 Explore 1

  社会规则由谁定? The social rules set by the who?

  千载难逢的时代,无法不闻不问 The era of once in a blue moon,Can't go

  如果掌握不好分寸,这部影片可能根本不能拍,但如果永远不开始,你就永远没有机会知道这个尺度在哪里。

If the master is bad the discretion,The film may simply can't shoot,But if never begin,You will never did not have the opportunity to know the scale in where。

  新京报:冯小刚曾说,陈凯歌就应该拍民族史诗类的电影。其实你近年的作品中有对现代价值观的折射,这次为什么会选择把故事背景放在当下?

The Beijing news:Feng xiaogang once said,Chen kaige should take national epic type of film。In fact you in recent years in the modern values to works of refraction,This time why will choose the story on the background?

  陈凯歌:中国有一点比较特殊,虽文化悠久,但这个时代大家对文化很不重视。做电影这么多年了,好像在这个行业变成了前辈的感觉,在这种情况下,倘若像我这样的人都不肯涉足文化上的事情,我觉得就没人拍这个了。但我心里一直心心念念的还是想拍现代题材。一个有文化的民族,比如西欧的国家,他们大部分电影都是关注当下现实,一个国家是不是先进的社会,电影也是一个指标性的东西。

Chen kaige:China has a little more special,Culture long though,But this time everyone to the culture is not value。Make the movie for so many years,Like in this industry into the feeling of predecessors,In this case,If such a man as I would not involved in cultural things,I think it no one take this。But my in the mind have been pronouncing the heart or want to take modern theme。A culture of ethnic groups,Such as Western Europe countries,Most of them is the focus movies then reality,A country is not the advanced society,The film is also a benchmark of things。

  我一直在想,为什么我们会有这么长时间的装聋作哑,对于这样一个富于变化的、千载难逢的时代,反而不闻不问。而且我想做文化上的事情,愿也了了,所以会用比较多的时间去考虑拍一些现代的东西。

I've been thinking,Why do we have such a long time of plays deaf,For such a abound change、The era of once in a blue moon,But it。And I want to do the thing on culture,It may also,So will use more time to consider the things take some modern。

  新京报:中国导演会避开现实主义题材,与很多东西无法深入触碰有关。而《搜索》原小说也是比较黑暗的,改编时是否有担心?

The Beijing news:Chinese director will avoid the realistic subject,And a lot of things can't touch deeply concerned。and《search》The original novel is dark,When a worry whether adaptation?

  陈凯歌:肯定有担心。如果掌握不好分寸,这部影片可能根本不能拍,但如果永远不开始,你就永远没机会知道这个尺度在哪里。

Chen kaige:Must have worried about。If the master is bad the discretion,The film may simply can't shoot,But if never begin,You will never have no opportunity to know the scale in where。

  原小说的确是比较黑暗的,如果完全按照原著改编,有可能这个电影也是很黑暗的,当然从创作者角度来讲,“Dark film”并非就是不合理,但我拍了这么多部电影,在尺度方面经历了或开放或收紧很多不同的阶段,结合我的经验,我反而决定回到我的内心,把这个标准和尺度的决定权给予我自己,而不是有任何人去命令我该做些什么。

The original novel is really darker,If the original completely according to adaptation,May this movie also is very dark,Of course from the creator Angle,“Dark film”Not is not reasonable,But I took so many movies,In the scales experienced or open or tighten many different stage,Combined with my experience,But I decided to go back to my heart,The standard and the criterion of the decision to give myself,And not have anyone to command what should I do。

  新京报:片中提出了很多问题,但你选择不给予答案。这是否也是你对于现实的一种态度?

The Beijing news:The proposed a lot of problems,But you choose not to give the answer。Whether this is a kind of to the reality you attitude?

  陈凯歌:所谓“现实主义”,很大程度上是作者表面似乎无态度、客观地去讲人物的真实状态,因为越真实就越锐利,越锐利对现实越有启发作用,而不是以创作者给予一个结论为目标。

Chen kaige:The so-called“realism”,To a large extent is the author of surface appears to no attitude、Objective to speak to the reality of characters,For more real more acute,The more sharp the heuristic role of reality,And not to the creators to grant a conclusion for the target。

  我们的语态比较温和,但我认为不缺乏讽刺,也揭露了一些比较尖锐的东西,这种东西就是存在于人群中:这个社会的规则到底由谁来确定?在这样的规则下,每个人是一种什么样的生存状态?但就像片中最后姚晨所说的:我可以重新开始。这似乎是个结局,但也是一个开始。

Our voice relatively modest,But I don't think the lack of irony,Revealed some of the more sharp things,This stuff is exist in the crowd:The social rules exactly who will decide?Under these rules,Every man is a kind of what kind of living condition?But like the last YaoChen had said:I can start again。This seems to be the end,But it is also a start。

  探讨2 Explore 2

  女性在社会中的角色? Women's role in society?

  我不想通过这部电影去表达极端的女权概念,但希望大家可以关注女性在潜移默化中受到的那种无形歧视。

I don't want to watch the movie to express extreme concept of women's rights,But I hope you can focus on women in imperceptible by the invisible discrimination。

  陈红是一家之主,让我有时间做梦

Yan is the head of the family,Let me have the time to dream

  新京报:片中所有女性最终都选择了独立,为什么会做这样的设定?

The Beijing news:All the women were eventually chose independent,Why will do such Settings?

  陈凯歌:回头看我的电影,我对女性,如果用“同情”这个词会显得有点矫情,但对女性人物的命运还是有同情之感。女性在社会中究竟扮演什么样的角色,始终是一个问题。而在当下,女性是否真正受到尊重,这个衡量社会是否先进的重要指标往往是被忽略的。大家都会说我家是我老婆掌权,但是否真的是这样?片中这几个女人触动了我,不同阶层、有不同的情感、生活背景,无一例外遇到了困境,但她们最终所做的事情却是如此强大。

Chen kaige:Look back at my movies,I to women,If use“sympathy”The word can appear a little way,But for the fate of the female characters or have the feeling of sympathy。Women in social what exactly what kind of role,Is always a problem。And in the present,Women really are respected,This measure is an important index of the advanced society often is ignored。Everyone will say that my family is my wife in power,But whether this is really the case?In the few touches me,Different class、Have different feelings、Life background,Without exception, meet the dilemma,But they eventually do is so strong。

  《搜索》里的女人都比较轴、认死理,这在当今女性身上有很多表现。我不想通过这部电影表达极端的女权概念,但希望大家可以关注女性在潜移默化中受到的那种无形歧视。

《search》The women are in the shaft、RenSiLi,This in today's women body contain a lot of performance。I don't want to through the film express extreme concept of women's rights,But I hope you can focus on women in imperceptible by the invisible discrimination。

  新京报:作为与你最亲近的女性,陈红对你有怎样的影响?

The Beijing news:As with you the closest to women,Yan what effects on you?

  陈凯歌:我跟陈红过着很简单的生活,对电影都有一种不用去说的心情。她也确实是一家之主。是她给了我时间去思考,从小我就喜欢发愣,半天不知在干吗,一直持续到了今天。陈红把所有具体而微的事物全部包揽下来,让我可以在这么长的时间里做我的梦,这也是我非常感激她的地方。

Chen kaige:I have a very simple with yan of life,For the movie has a don't have to say the mood。She also really is the head of the family。Is she gave me time to think,Since I like to become speechless,Half a day do not know doing,Until today。All the things yan represented all swept down,Let I can in so long time to do my dream,This is also I was very grateful to her place。

  探讨3 Explore three

  看到的是否是真相? See if that is the truth?

  不会因误解而否定记者行业 Not because of misunderstanding and negative reporter industry

  其实中间也曾有不愉快的事情发生,我觉得,如果对我不公平而我却没有反应,那我也太不真实了。

Among actually has bad things from happening,I think,If I don't fair, but I did not respond,That I too too not true。

  新京报:为什么会在《搜索》里设定一个记者的角色?

The Beijing news:Why are《search》To set a reporter's role?

  陈凯歌:我们是做了很严肃的讨论的。人类的历史就是黑幕重重,需要有人把帘幕的一角掀开。这部影片探讨的一个话题就是:到底什么是真相?或者我们看到的是否是真相?这个命题让一个记者去探寻,显然非常合适。

Chen kaige:We are a serious discussion。The history of mankind is heavy fog,Need someone to a corner of the curtain is open。The film is a topic of discussion:What is the truth?Or whether we see the truth?This thesis makes a reporter to explore,Obviously very appropriate。

  新京报:这些年一直与记者打交道,你经历着怎样的过程?

The Beijing news:These years and dealing with a journalist,You experience how to process?

  陈凯歌:最近这十年接触得比较多,退回去十年,导演基本就是幕后人员,没有太多机会站在台前接受采访。中间也曾有不愉快的事情发生,我觉得,如果对我不公平而我却没有反应,那我也太不真实了,但事后回想时,有了不同的想法、有了理解,那一定是涵养。

Chen kaige:The last ten years with more,Go back ten years,Director basic is crew,Not too much chance to stand in front interviewed。Middle had bad things from happening,I think,If I don't fair, but I did not respond,That I too too not true,But when an afterthought,Have different ideas、With understanding,That must be the self-restraint。

  人一辈子不被误解是不可能的,但直到现在我都不认为我跟记者之间有什么过节,更不会因此而去对个人或者这个行业有一个态度上的否认。这次拍记者这样一个形象,也让我对记者有了一种很强烈的亲切感。

One lifetime don't be misinterpreted is impossible,But until now I don't think I told reporters between what the feast,More will not therefore to the individual or the industry has a denied the attitude。This time, the pictures reporters such an image,Also let I to reporters have a very strong kindness。

  咱是做电影的吗?

I make pictures?

  即便大家对我苛刻,也是因为大家是对我好,所以不必用“不要对我有太高期待”这样的话来敷衍。

Even if everybody to my harsh,But also because everybody is good to me,So don't have to use“Don't expect too much of me”Such words perfunctory。

  新京报:之前你曾坦言对票房很有压力,还会举办女性专场放映,有人说这次你放低了身段,对此怎么看?

The Beijing news:Before you have said there is pressure on to the box office,Women made will be held for screening,Some say this time you low in figure,What about this?

  陈凯歌:像我们这样的导演,因为上学时受到的是电影学院殿堂教育,会让人觉得与其他导演不同,但这样的教育有时也可能变成负担,时代在前进,社会在变化,每个人都不要觉得自己可以一直是最好的,如果你不求变的话。拍《搜索》时我没想过这个事情,或者已经把这件事情给放下了。

Chen kaige:As we such director,Because school had film school hall education,Can let a person feel different with other director,But such education sometimes also may become a burden,Era in advance,Social changes in,Everyone don't feel that you can always is the best,If you don't change it。pat《search》I hadn't thought of this thing,Or has put the thing to put it down。

  新京报:在电影市场化的今天,已经很少有人去真正关注电影本身的主题和内涵,你是否觉得今非昔比?

The Beijing news:In the film market of today,Have very few people to really focus on the theme of the movie itself and connotation,If you think is not what it was?

  陈凯歌:对与我同代的导演来说,这个变化的确是个新情况。其实中国电影早在上世纪三四十年代也是市场化的,但那个时候好电影的社会倾向、社会价值还是很受到重视的,但现在说是叫电影市场,实际上电影本身在所有的事情里最小,其他的事情都比电影大,钱就更是老大了。有时候也会感到困惑,咱是做电影的吗?其实西方对电影的看法就没有那么唯票房论,那样的一个生态环境可能更适于电影的健康发展,也更适于年轻导演的成长,如果唯票房论,在票房上有一次失守,这个导演就没了。还有另一个弊端,就是电影趋向单一化,想出现多元的电影就越来越困难。

Chen kaige:For me it with the director of the generation,This change is indeed a new situation。In fact Chinese film in early on century is the market,But when the good movie social tendency、Social value or very attention,But now say that film market,In fact the film itself in the least in all things,Other things than film,Money is the boss。Sometimes also can feel confused,I make pictures?In fact the movie's western views were not so only box office theory,That may be more suitable for the ecological environment of the healthy development of the movie,And more suitable for the growth of the young director,If only the box office theory,At the box office has a fort,The director didn't。There is another abuses,Is film trend simplification,Want to appear diverse films to more and more difficult。

  新京报:相比于国内其他导演,观众对你期待值会更高,由此争议声也会更大,是否觉得对你来说太苛刻?

The Beijing news:Compared to other domestic director,The audience will be higher expectations for you,This will be more controversy,If think, for you are too harsh?

  陈凯歌:的确有时候有人话说得很不好听,但我觉得即便大家对我苛刻,也是因为大家是对我好,所以不必用“不要对我有太高期待”这样的话来敷衍,因为这个期待你应该接受。但有的时候我不能一定做到最好,特别是我不熟悉、还在摸索的东西,这个时候你听到的批评,这个委屈必须自己受着。对我而言,这些东西不是看淡,而是不是特别在意,像一个小孩心无旁骛地去玩就好。我不需要靠电影去实现我的财富梦,我也没有财富梦,这样拍电影也会比较单纯一些。

Chen kaige:It's true that sometimes some words were not nice,But I think that even if everybody to my harsh,But also because everybody is good to me,So don't have to use“Don't expect too much of me”Such words perfunctory,Because this expect you should accept。But sometimes I can't be the best,Especially I'm not familiar with、Also explored things,This time you hear criticism,This injustice must be。To me,These things not see light,But not special care,Like a child yourself to play。I don't need to rely on film to achieve my dream of wealth,I also have no wealth dream,This film is pure some。

  - “又圆恋” - “And round,”

  第一次见面二人就脸红 For the first time the two men have to blush

  新京报:你每天都是在开拍前一夜改写剧本,“又圆恋”的发生,你是否为他们改写剧本?

The Beijing news:Every day you are shooting in the night before to rewrite the script,“And round,”happened,Whether you for they rewrite the script?

  陈凯歌:一点都没有。高圆圆与赵又廷第一次见面,脸就红了,好像是少男少女的感觉,他们的过程特别自然,而且很干净。我们私下也问,你们俩究竟是什么时候好上的,赵又廷说,是当我们俩同时爱上导演的时候。是我把他们俩作为演员带到叶蓝秋和杨守诚面前,当他们重合在一起的时候,我觉得真微妙,我没必要拿这个事情做什么炒作,我只是看到爱情发生在眼皮底下。

Chen kaige:No little。He GaoYuanYuan and zhao and meet for the first time,Face is red,As is the feeling of girls,The process of their special nature,And very clean。We also asked in private,Both of you is what is good when,Zhao and said he,Is when we both are in love with the director。I was the both of them as an actor to leaf LanQiuHe YangShouCheng presence,When they overlap together of the time,I'm so subtle,I don't have to take the things what do hype,I just see love happen under the eyelid。

  新京报:,是否担心“又圆恋”在宣传上有些喧宾夺主?

The Beijing news:,Ever worried that“And round,”In some propaganda presumptuous guest usurps the host's role?

  陈凯歌:拍一个电影,收获一个爱情,电影是假,爱情是真,所以我真的不介意,也衷心祝福他们能够幸福。

Chen kaige:Shoot a movie,Harvest a love,The movie is false,Love is the true,So I really don't mind,Also wish they can happiness。

  - 新片进展

-new film progress

  《沙门空海之大唐鬼宴》还在紧张搭景中,不符合我自己的拍摄标准我就不会动它,因为这是一部题材非常浩大、又充满很多奇幻特技的题材,所以在操作上我会非常谨慎。在这之前我还是对当下题材非常感兴趣,身在一个目迷五色的变化中,而不能做出反应,实在是太可惜。

《Shamen empty datang ghost of the feast》Also in the tension in a specially,Do not accord with my own shooting standard I won't touch it,Because this is a subject matter is great、And full of many fantasy stunt subject matter,So I will very cautious in operation。Before that I was very interested in the subject,The body in a changes in the dazzling3 archipelago,And not a response,It is too bad。


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