在本周三零点上线的爱奇艺自制的高端评论节目《以德服人》中，集歌手、演员、主持人、评委等多重身份于一身的蔡国庆老师与“嘴不饶人”的郭德纲共同聊起当今选秀节目里的内幕。二人均表示，现在选秀节目里的专业评委意见不敌观众看法。郭德纲打趣：“现在的观众，你拿他当外行不行。”

In this week's love of three zero online art homemade high-end review program《Good justify》in，Set singer、actor、The host、The judges, etc in a CaiGuoQing multiple identities of teachers and“Mouth does not forgive people”GuoDeGang of common talk about today's reality shows in the insider。Both men said，Now the reality show the professional opinions on the judges by the audience。GuoDeGang remarked：“Now the audience，You can't take him as dilettante。”

　　说起近年来当评委的经历，“一坐到评委席上就变成另外一个人了”， 蔡国庆表示，“容易精神错乱，要么超水平发挥，要么就失常发挥，控制不住自己情绪”。谈及自己由评委到导师身份的转变，蔡国庆认为是一种“退化”：“你说老百姓不懂什么音乐素养，可是最终所谓的大杀器还是得扔到观众面前去，观众们要认可他，他才能够红，才能够有今后的前程。”郭德纲也现身说法：“在德云社给孩子们开会的时候我提到过，底下有5个专家和500观众，这个时候你要听500观众的话。专家把你给捧成花他们也一分钱不花你身上，还得听观众的。”

Speaking of in recent years when the judges experience，“A sit to PingWeiXi on into another”， CaiGuoQing said，“Easy to insanity，Either overachieving，Or disorder play，To control his emotions”。About yourself from the judges to tutor the change of identity，CaiGuoQing think is one of a kind“degradation”：“You said that people don't understand what music accomplishment，But ultimately the so-called big kill is still have to throw to the audience，The audience to endorsed him，He was able to red，Can have in the future of the future。”GuoDeGang also that advise：“In DeYunShe for the children of the meeting when I mentioned，Under five experts and 500 spectators，This time you have to listen to 500 words of the audience。Experts put you to hold in flower they also no money spent on you，Still have to listen to the audience。”

　　评委和观众之间的故事也成为郭德纲和蔡国庆畅聊的话题。谈到观众的职责，蔡国庆坦然承认有面对过。而近来同样担任多当选秀节目评委的高晓松也面临相同的境况，郭德纲做出说明：“晓松在《以德服人》里也提了，其实好多观众并不真正了解民歌。于是观众不干了，拿他们当外行不行。”亲身经历过指责的蔡国庆表示：“老百姓有时候不是绝对信你评委的。”而一直静坐旁听的于谦一语中的：“他本身坐在电视机前就是以评委身份出现的”，获得蔡国庆和郭德纲的一致认同。

The judges and audience of the story also become GuoDeGang between and CaiGuoQing chang chat topic。Talking about the responsibilities of the audience，CaiGuoQing confessing have face。And recently elected as the same show and GaoXiaoSong panel of judges in the same situation，GuoDeGang explanations：“XiaoSong in《Good justify》In also offered a，In fact the audience did not really understand a lot of folk songs。So the audience quit，Take them when layman can't。”Experiencing the accused of CaiGuoQing said：“People sometimes not absolutely believe you panel of judges。”And always sit in on the YuQian sit to accumulate funds：“He sat in front of the television itself is in the forms of the judges”，Get CaiGuoQing and GuoDeGang consensus。