社保体系基本建成 各项资金总体安全 The basic social security system built general security funds
——权威专家解读全国社保资金审计结果 The national social security experts-reading capital audit results

    新华社北京８月２日电（记者张晓松）审计署２日发布了全国社会保障资金审计结果，引起社会广泛关注。如何评价这份审计公告？从审计结果看，我国社保体系建设情况怎样？社保资金是否安全？就这些问题，记者采访了国内社保、财政、审计等领域的专家学者。

    On August 2 (xinhua news agency)（Reporter ZhangXiaoSong）The national audit office 2, released the national social security fund audit results，Cause social widespread concern。How to evaluate the audit publication？From the audit results to see，Social security system construction condition？Social security funds will be safe？On these issues，The reporter interviewed domestic social security、financial、Audit experts in the fields of scholars。

    

    首次摸清社保“家底” 意义重大 Out social security for the first time“earned” significant

    问：今年３到５月，审计署组织４万多名审计人员，对全国省市县三级政府管理的１８项社保资金进行了全面审计。如何评价这次审计？

    q：3 to 5 months this year，The organization more than 40000 auditors，To the national provinces and cities of governmental management county levels of 18, the overall social security funds audit。How to evaluate the audit？

    中国人民大学劳动人事学院教授、中国社会保障研究中心主任郑功成：这是近３０年社会保障改革历程中首次对我国社会保障体系整体情况进行综合性、多层次的审计，对了解我国社会保障真实运行情况，提供了全面、真实、客观、准确的信息。

    The people's university of China labor personnel college professor、China's social security ZhengGongCheng, director of the research center：This is nearly 30 years social security reform process in China for the first time, the social security system of the whole situation comprehensively、Multi-level auditing，To understand the real operation of social security of our country，Provides a comprehensive、real、objective、Accurate information。

    中国社科院世界社会保障研究中心主任郑秉文：审计公告包含了大量翔实的数据，体现了政府在成绩和问题面前实事求是的态度和对社会保障监督工作的重视。

    The Chinese academy of social security of the research centre ZhengBingWen：Audit publication contains a large number of accurate data，The result shows that the government and the problems of seeking truth from facts before attitude and to social security supervision work seriously。

    人力资源和社会保障部社会保障研究所所长金维刚：这份公告反映了社保工作巨大的成效，也深刻分析了社会保障资金收支、管理等方面存在的问题，提出了具有针对性、建设性和可操作性的意见和建议，对于推动社保制度改革和发展、促进覆盖城乡居民社保体系建设具有重要的决策支撑作用。

    Human resources and social security, social security JinWeiGang research institute：The announcement reflects social security work great achievements，Also deeply analyzes the social security fund balance of payments、The problems existing in the management, etc，Puts forward has targeted、Constructive and operability comments and Suggestions，To promote the reform and development of social security system、To promote the construction of social security system covering both urban and rural residents have important decision support role。

    财政部财政科学研究所所长贾康：这次审计是一项具有全局意义的工作，很好地体现了审计服务国家重大发展战略的功能，国家财政对社保工作的持续投入连年加大，对于构建和谐社会、应对老龄化压力、强化民生保障具有重要作用。

    The Treasury financial science research institute jia kang：The audit is a kind of global significance of the work，Well reflect the major national audit services of the development strategy of the function，National finance of social work to continue the increase in years，To construct a harmonious society、Deal with an aging population pressure、Strengthening the people's livelihood security has an important role。

    

    基本建成覆盖城乡的社保体系 成效显著 Basic built the social security system covering both urban and rural areas is effective

    问：近年来，我国社保体系建设步伐明显加快。从这次审计情况看，目前我国社保体系究竟发展到怎样一个水平？

    q：In recent years，Social security system construction in China quickened significantly。From the auditing situation look，At present our country social security system development to how exactly a level？

    郑功成：近五年来我国社会保障发展成就巨大，应当充满信心。２００９年以来，是社保体系建设发展最快、见效最明显和惠民最广泛的时期，短短几年就取得如此成就，在世界上是找不到的。国际社会保障协会秘书长霍斯金斯、伦敦经济学院著名教授彼特·汤森等国外一些知名学者来中国时，都提出希望学习了解中国社会保障发展和改革的经验。有的学者以前为促进改革，对社保质疑多，看了这个公告很大程度上改变了对我国社会保障的看法。

    ZhengGongCheng：Nearly five years of social security of our country great achievement development，Should be full of confidence。Since 2009，Social security system construction is the fastest growing、The most obvious and effective huimin the most extensive period，Just a few short years will have achieved so achievement，In the world can't be found。International social security association secretary-general hoskins、London school of economics famous professor of Peter townsend, some famous foreign scholars to China，All proposed wish to learn about China's social security development and reform of experience。Some scholars before to promote reform，Question of social security，See the announcement to a great extent, the change of China's social security point of view。

    郑秉文：我国社会保障工作近年来快速发展，审计公告中作出的“体系基本建成、资金基本保证、管理体系基本形成”的判断非常符合实际情况，用五个方面高度概括社会保障工作取得的成效，让人感到很振奋，很受鼓舞。

    ZhengBingWen：China's social security work fast development in recent years，Audit made in a public announcement“System basically completed、Basic guarantee funds、Management system basic formation”Judgment is very accord with the actual situation，With five aspects highly generalization social security work achievement，Let a person feel very exciting，Was encouraging。

    中央财经大学保险学院教授、社会保障系主任褚福灵：公告充分肯定社会保障改革的成效，因为结论来自于审计部门实实在在的审计，靠数据说话，靠事实说话，而不是猜测和推测，更不是预测，消除了疑虑，增强了信心。

    The central university of finance and economics professor insurance institute、Social security ChuFuLing the dean of the department：Announcement affirmed the effectiveness of social security reform，Because the conclusion from the auditing department real audit，By data to speak，With facts speak，Not guess and speculation，More is not forecast，Eliminate the doubts，Strengthen the confidence。

    审计署科研所所长、研究员崔振龙：从审计结果可以看出，“十一五”期间，我国社会保障体系建设实现了历史性跨越，建成了世界上覆盖人口最多的社会保障网络，有效发挥了社会保障“助推器”“减震器”“稳定器”和“安全网”的作用。这样的成效，可以说在全世界范围内都是罕见的。

    The director of the research、Researchers CuiZhenLong：From the audit results can be seen，“11”during，Our country the construction of social security system realize the historic leap，Built the world's most populous covering social security network，Effectively play the social security“booster”“Shock absorber”“stabilizer”and“Safety net”role。The effectiveness of this，Can say in the world scope are rare。

    

    资金总体安全 管理仍需加强 Money still need to strengthen the overall safety management

    问：最近有人提出，我国养老保险基金存在巨大缺口。老百姓对此很担心。从这次审计结果看，我国社保资金是否安全？如何看待审计发现的一些管理不严格、政策执行不到位等问题？怎么解决？

    q：Recently, someone put forward，China's endowment insurance fund there is a huge gap。Common people are worried about。From the audit results to see，Social security funds in our country is safe？How to look at the audit found some management is not strictly、The policy implementation does not reach the designated position, etc？How to solve？

    郑功成：要理性和辩证地看待社保制度当前存在的问题，历史遗留的问题也要用历史的方法和渐进的步子加以改革。作为研究者，我非常不赞同那些不负责任的观点。社保资金结余３万亿，还逐年增加，不用担心领不到养老金。世界上只有破产的保险公司，没有破产的社会保险制度。

    ZhengGongCheng：To reason and dialectical at the existing problems of social security system，The problems left over by history also want to use the method of history and gradual steps to reform。As the researchers，I really don't agree with those irresponsible point of view。Social security fund balance 3 trillion，Also increases year by year，Don't worry brought less than pension。There is only the bankruptcy of the insurance company，Not the bankruptcy of the social insurance system。

    中国社科院财经战略研究院院长高培勇：审计提出的很多问题，基本原由是社会保障基金的管理行为及其运行机制目前尚处于规范过程中。比如社保基金收支究竟由谁来监督，现在是比较模糊的。

    The Chinese academy of GaoPeiYong academy, financial strategy：Audit the many problems put forward，The basic reason is the social security fund management behavior and the operation mechanism is still is in the normal process。Such as social security fund collection-payment who supervision，Now is more vague。

    褚福灵：报告中指出了社会保障资金在征缴、支付、管理方面存在的突出问题，涉及到方方面面，这些问题产生的原因虽然很复杂，但是大概是来自于以下三个方面：制度的原因、管理的原因和技术方面的原因，要从这三个方面加以解决。

    ChuFuLing：In the report points out that the social security funds in the collection、pay、Manage the problems，Involved in every aspect，The causes of these problems though is very complex，But is probably from the following three aspects：System reason、The cause of the management and technical reasons，From these three aspects to try to solve。

    金维刚：我国社会保障体系的建设需要经历一个过程，不可能一步到位，一开始就做得很完善，一下子就把各项制度都完善起来，现在社保方面出现了一些问题，有些问题是政策措施不完善、不到位、不成熟所导致的。

    JinWeiGang：Our country the construction of the social security system to be experienced a process，Can't one pace reachs the designated position，To do well，Suddenly the system are perfect up，Now there are problems in social security，Some problems is not perfect policy measures、Not in the position、As a result of not mature。

    

    推进改革深化 任重道远 Promoting reform deepening motorists

    问：根据审计结果，对进一步完善我国社保制度有什么建议和对策？

    q：According to the audit results，To further perfect our country's social security system has any Suggestions and countermeasures？

    贾康：今后，要在强化制度建设方面进一步加大力度，尽快实现部分险种之间的有效衔接，消除各地保障政策存在的较大差异，建立全社会统筹的共济机制。为此，必须建立现代预算体系，将资金纳入公共财政框架并实施全程监控，切实解决个别地区和单位存在的问题。

    Jia kang：In the future，To strengthen the system construction to further strengthened，Part of the plant as quickly as possible between the effective connection，Eliminate all of the bigger difference existing security policy，Establish society as a whole in the mechanism。For this，Must establish modern budget system，Will money into public finance framework and implement process monitoring，Solve individual regions and unit existing problems。

    高培勇：在社保资金积累快速增长、财政投入逐年加大的情况下，应当把社会保障预算作为所有财政税收体制改革当中的首选项目加以推进，并实行全口径政府管理，那么整个财政税收体制就可以向前跨越一大步。

    GaoPeiYong：In the social security fund accumulation fast growth、Financial investment increased year by year，Should put the social security budget as all financial tax system reform of the project to promote of first choice，The diameter of the government management，So the whole financial tax system can be a big step forward across。

    北京大学中国经济研究中心教授、国务院医改专家咨询委员会委员李玲：从公告看，我国近年来医改取得了显著成绩，得到国际社会高度评价。但一些配套改革未到位，比如医疗机构就需要加大力度推进，同时有关制度也有待进一步完善，管理还有待进一步加强。通过审计帮助巩固、完善、调整制度和政策，这是公告的最大亮点。

    Beijing university professor of the China center for economic research、Cure of the state council experts advisory committee members who：From announcement see，Medical in recent years in China have achieved remarkable results，Get the international community highly。But some necessary reform has not arrived，Such as medical institutions need to intensify efforts to promote，At the same time also on system should be further improved，Management remains to be further strengthened。Through the audit help consolidate、perfect、Adjust system and policy，This announcement is the largest window。

    郑功成：关于今后如何进一步完善社会保障制度运行机制和管理体制，审计提出了具有针对性、前瞻性、建设性和可操作性的意见和建议，对全面深化社会保障制度改革，确保健康持续发展具有重大意义。

    ZhengGongCheng：Regarding the how to further perfect social security system operation mechanism and management system，Audit with pertinence put forward、prospective、Constructive and operability comments and Suggestions，To comprehensively deepen reform of social security system，Ensure that sustainable development is of great significance。