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2013-01-16
中新网1月16日电(生活频道 蒋妍) 12日,认证身份为自由撰稿人、社会公益工作者的网友卫庄发布了一条标题为“呼吁无座火车票应该半价”的微博,短短几天内,该微博已被转发近16万次,评论近4万条。“无座火车票半价”也一时之间成为网友热烈讨论的话题,各路观点层出不穷,但在大多数网友的强烈支持声中,也有相关人士对此持反对态度。
Beijing on January 16(Life JiangYan channel) 12,The authentication status for freelance writer/Social workers net friend WeiZhuang released a title for"Calls for no seat ticket should be half price"Micro bo,A few days,The micro bo has been forward nearly 160000 times,Review article nearly 40000."No seat ticket half price"Also for one hour become net friend a heated discussion topic,New ideas emerge in endlessly,But in the majority of users of the strong support of the sound,Also have relevant personage opposed the attitude.
微博呼吁站票半价 Micro bo standing-room called for half price
微博原文@卫庄:中国铁路每年售出大量无座票,然长期以来,无座车票依然全价出售。无座旅客以农民工兄弟居多,他们因为条件知识等因,抢不到属于自己的有座票。按照市场价值规律,他们没能享受与车票价钱所匹配的服务,因此无座车票全价不合理。庄哥认为:无座半价!支持的朋友转起来!
Micro bo the original WeiZhuang @:Every year a large number of China's railway sold without a ticket,Ran for a long time,No seat ticket still full price to sell.No seat passengers to migrant workers brother is in the majority,Because they conditions such as knowledge for,Could not rob belong to own a ticket.In accordance with the law of market value,They can't enjoy and ticket price have matching service,So no seat ticket full price is not reasonable.ZhuangGe think:No seat half price!Support friends turn up!
据《河南商报》报道,其实,火车票站票是否应该半价,已经不止一次被提起。早在2008年,铁道部曾针对公众提议的站票能否实行“站价”回应说,站票实行“站价”会使更多人挤向铁路,造成列车严重超员,危及行车安全。但这一回应并没挡住近几年这一观点被讨论。
According to[The henan business]reports,In fact,Train tickets sro tickets whether it should be half price,Has more than once mentioned.As early as in 2008,The ministry of railways has the public offer the floor seats can implement"Station price"Responded that,Sro tickets to"Station price"Can make more people crowded to the railway,One serious caused by train,Endangers safety.But the response is not blocking in recent years this view is discussed.
对此,包括人民日报、新华视点等在内的全国诸多媒体对该微博予以关注,更吸引了上万网友的热议,其中,支持和反对和中立的都有,但支持者明显更多。据微博在线调查显示,有93.6%的网友表示支持“无座火车票半价”,6.4%的网友持反对意见,共有约93万的网友参与了该话题的讨论。
this,Including People's Daily/Xinhua viewpoint, the many media on the micro bo attention,More attracted tens of thousands of users to hot debate,the,Support and opposition and neutral are,But obviously more supporters.According to the micro bo online survey,93.6% of the net friend said support"No seat ticket half price",6.4% of the net friend opposition,There were about 930000 users involved in this topic.
赞成站票半价的网友大多认为,站票、座票应当与软卧、硬卧一样,按照服务的不同而差异化收费,从而体现公平的市场经济原则。但反对方则认为,如果实行站票半价,可能会冲击铁路整体运营秩序,如果火车票站票半价,是不是公交、地铁也都需要重新定价?
For most of the users think standing-room half price,Sro tickets/Seat ticket shall and soft berth/As hard sleeper,According to the different service charge and differentiation,And how to embody the fairness principle of the market economy.But opposition is considered,If the sro tickets half price,May impact the whole railway operation order,If the train ticket sro tickets half price,Is bus/The subway are also need to pricing?
众人热议站票半价 All standing-room hot debate at half price
赞成 In favor of
@吴必虎:在铁路部门长期执行的车票定价原则和价格体系中,其实一直遵守坐席分等、差别定价的办法,目前已经形成不同档次的列车设施,其内的坐席也分为不同等次,车票价格也有明显不同。但惟独对无座车票采取了异质同价、低质高价的办法,而且利益受损者多数为生活拮据的中下层社会人群。
@ wu will tiger:In the railway departments long-term implementation ticket pricing principles and price system,In fact always abide by the classification and reclined at the table/Difference pricing method,At present has been formed different grades of train facilities,It is divided into different grades: reclined at the table,Ticket prices are obvious different.But but no seat ticket to take the heterogeneous goods/The quality of the high way,And interests impaired for the life of the most money the resourse of the society.
@ZT爱说5个包子但不吃5个包子:本来就应该半价了,有时候人多起来的时候火车上横七竖八的躺着那些打工的人,虽然不认识还是觉得挺可怜的,我们还说可以用电脑订票什么的,那些打工的都是靠去火车站买的,火车票紧急的时候去买也就只剩无票了。严重支持无座价下调!!凭什么有花同样的钱还享受不了同样的待遇?
@ ZT love said five steamed stuffed bun but don't eat five steamed stuffed bun:Should the at half price,Sometimes many up litter on the train lay those working people,Although do not know or think quite poor,We also said that can use the computer booking or something,Those who are working on to the train station to buy,An emergency to buy train ticket is only without the tickets.Serious support without a price cut!!With what have to spend the same money also not enjoy the same treatment?
@JasonPan:火车票这么被计划着,另外的原因是几十年来销售渠道技术落后,但销售数量巨大,管理不善但又保守不开放,导致停步不前。现在的销售模式实质上和30、50年前没有什么区别。可能还不单是保护票点利益,是铁老大放不开或者不敢放开,当然也有利益驱使垄断不愿放开。铁路部门应该打造智慧铁路,与时代接轨。
JasonPan @:Train tickets so be planning,Another reason is that for decades sales channel lag in technology,But the huge number of sales,Poor management but conservative don't open,Lead to stop at.Now the sales model in essence and 30/Fifty years ago does not have what differentiation.May also is not only protect ticket point interests,Is TieLaoDa put don't open or can't let go,Of course, there are also some incentive monopoly is not willing to let go.The railway departments should make wisdom railway,Connect with the time.
@方也Jason:火车无座票价和座票一样十分不合理,过去没有实行电脑售票,有时中途会有空位子出现,而现在衔接的非常紧凑,几乎连小车站到站的空位子票都再卖出,所以买站票上车的人,中途等空座的几率很低,票价和坐票一样不合理。既然是站票,既然你们中途也售票,站票没有占位置可能,要么不卖站票,要卖就降下来。
@ party also Jason:The train without a ticket prices and seat tickets are not reasonable,In the past did not implement computer ticket,Sometimes will be free in the seat,And now the cohesion is very compact,Even small station station almost empty seat ticket sold again,So buy sro tickets on people,And the risk of the vacant position is very low,Ticket prices and sit ticket not reasonable.Since is sro tickets,Since you are the ticket,Sro tickets not accounted for position may be,Or don't sell sro tickets,To sell will drop down.
不赞成 Don't approve of
@尹俊达:“无座火车票半价”这个问题就跟地铁票价降价差不多,同样是供需关系严重倾斜,日常维护成本昂贵,降低了票价就要国家有理由补贴这差的钱,同时国家不可能只付出不获取,它可以通过更多其他的途径来补上这部分的钱,提高税收之类的也不是不会啊。
@ YinJunDa:"No seat ticket half price"The problem with metro ticket price cut almost,The same is supply and demand relationship serious tilt,Daily maintenance is expensive,Reduce the fare will be countries have reason to subsidies this bad money,At the same time, countries could not only pay is not successful,It can be through the more other way to catch up on this part of the money,Raising taxes and so on is not no.
@我猜你肯定猜不出来我是谁:突然看到了这个,表示曾经我也觉得站票坐票一个价有点不合理,但是自从经历过站票也能有座并且能横着躺在座位上以后,我就不这么觉得了…并且在人真的很多的情况下站票这种降低车厢空气质量的存在简直太令人发指,不卖贵就不错了。
@ I guess you sure can not guess who I am:Suddenly see the,Said once I also feel standing-room tickets to sit a price a bit is not reasonable,But since experienced sro tickets can also have a and can cross was lying in the seat later,I don't think so the…And in the person really many cases sro tickets this reduce car air quality existence absolutely too outrageous,Don't sell your good.
反对言论遭遇炮轰 Against the speech encounter cannon
微博原文@王志安:站票应该比坐票贵,因为买站票的人,都是对时间更敏感的人群,他们要求近乎只有一个,就是赶上这趟车,把他送到目的地。在这种情况下,这些人的议价能力是最差的,从商家角度讲,就应卖给他们更贵的票。尽管这时商家多拉一个乘客的成本可以忽略不计,但是,价格从来不是由成本决定。
Micro bo wang zhian was original @:Sro tickets should be better than sit your ticket,Because people buy sro tickets,Time is more sensitive to the crowd,They asked to only one,Is to catch the bus,Take him to the destination.In this case,These people bargaining ability is the worst,From the business point of view,You should sell them more expensive ticket.Although at this time business DORA a passenger's cost can be neglected,but,The price is never the cost decision.
央视新闻评论员王志安的这番言论一出,招来了骂声一片。有网友评论称:“这哪儿是人说的话呀?看看那些买站票的都是什么人,他们大部分都是农民工和到外地务工的人。他们没钱、没权,坐不起飞机、高铁,他们只能选择价格最低的普通火车。”王志安屡次出语惊人,此次对于“站票半价”的反对观点遭到了多数网友的炮轰。
CCTV news commentator wang zhian was a remarks,Brought great a piece of.Has the net friend comment on said:"This is where people say?Look at those buy sro tickets is what person,Most of them are migrant workers and out of work.They have no money/Not the right,Can't afford to sit the/High iron,They can only choose the lowest price of ordinary train."Wang zhian was often ChuYu amazing,For the"Sro tickets at half price"The arguments against by the majority of users of the cannon.
对此,新华视点的微博也发表了相应看法:火车票站票是否应半价,可以讨论,但有一点无疑:卧铺能实行差别票价,站票没能享受到座票同样的服务,理应价格更低。至于降价可能导致更多人图便宜去挤铁路或者有座票不买买站票,这都属操作问题,铁路部门对何时卖站票、卖多少站票可以安排。眼下,是铁道部门该先给个回应。
this,Xinhua viewpoint micro bo also made the corresponding view:Standing-room tickets whether they should be half price,Can discuss,But have a bit undoubtedly:A sleeper ticket can carry out the difference,Sro tickets can't enjoy a ticket the same service,Should the price lower.As for the price may lead to more people pursue cheap to crowded railway or a ticket not buy sro tickets,This belong to the operation problems,The railway departments to when to sell sro tickets/How many sell sro tickets can be arranged.the,Is the railway department should give a response.
铁路部门解释回应 The railway departments response to explain
据《大河报》报道,对于票价问题,记者从媒体同行处获悉,昨日下午铁路部门相关人士在接受采访时解释说:“火车票价格主要是根据其位移距离长度决定的,坐席环境仅是构成票价的一部分。同时每列车发售的无座车票是按照一定比例出售的,并不是无限量发售。同时,诸如高铁动车一等和特等坐席区域,不发售无座站票。”
According to[The river to]reports,Ticket prices for,Reporters have learned from the media counterparts,Yesterday afternoon the railway departments relevant personage explained in an interview:"Train ticket price is mainly based on the displacement distance length decision,The environment is only at constitute part of the fare.At the same time the release of each train without a ticket is according to a certain proportion of the sale,And is not an unlimited put on sale.At the same time,Such as high iron moving car at first and top grade area,Don't put on sale no seat sro tickets."
据了解,无座车票打折或半价出售还存在统计乘坐区间的难题。比如列车从郑州开往南阳,中途有乘客从平顶山站下车,有人就会坐到空闲座位上;但如果平顶山站有人坐到了空闲座位上时,就难以统计无座车票真正的站立和“蹭座”乘客,为车票发售带来困难。
It is understood,No seat ticket discount or sell at half price there are statistics on the problem of interval.Such as train from zhengzhou to nanyang,Midway have passengers from mesa stop,Someone will sit on the free seat;But if the pingdingshan stand someone sat idle when the seat,It will be difficult to statistics no seat ticket true stand and"Ceng seat"passengers,For ticket sale difficult.
网友分享无座攻略 Share no seat strategy
据《山西晚报》报道,在春运的人流中,买上坐票的人是幸运的,然而,不幸的人当然也不能“站”以待毙,网友总结经验,推出了《无座火车攻略》分享在网上。
According to[Shanxi evening]reports,In the Spring Festival in the stream,Buy sit ticket is lucky,however,Unfortunate people of course also cannot"station"Death for,Net friend to sum up experience,launched[No seat train strategy]Share on the Internet.
去餐车:常坐火车的人都知道,餐车位于列车的中部,所以,无座乘客在上车后便要向列车中部移动,等供餐时间去餐车买点价格比较便宜的食品慢慢地吃。
To diners:Often train people know,The dining car is located in the middle of the train,so,No seat passengers get on and on to the central train movement,For meal time to diners some cheaper food eat slowly.
勤打听:如果你的旅途漫长,那么,多问问车厢的人都哪里下车吧,挑一个最快下车的人站到他的旁边。如果你不愿意开口,还有一个好办法,就是在列车员查票的时候跟在身后,这样,整个车厢乘客的目的地你就都知道了。
Frequently ask:If you have a long journey,so,Many people ask car where to get off,Pick a fastest get off to people standing beside him.If you don't want to open,There is a good way,Even in the conductor when checked with behind you,this,The whole car passenger destination you all know.
坐马扎:最常见的还是买个小马扎,提前上车占个好位置。便宜又好用,从火车站周围流动的小贩那里就可以买到,大概八到十元不等。
Originated by:The most common or buy a camp chair,Get ahead of a good position.Cheap and to use,From the railway station of the flow around the dealer can buy,About eight to ten dollars.
套近乎:爱热闹、爱玩的你更不用担心没座了。上车之后,总有一些乘客非常健谈,你一定要站到他的旁边,与他聊聊,快速地熟络起来。只要你不让人讨厌,他很快就会邀请你跟他们一起打牌,这样,你不仅有了座,而且一路娱乐也蛮有意思。(中新网生活频道)
Set almost:Love lively/You love to play more don't have to worry about no seat the.Get on the car after,There is always some passengers are very talkative,You must stand on his side,Chat with him,Fast well up.As long as you don't let people hate,He will soon invite you to play with them,this,You not only to have the seat,And the entertainment is quite interesting.(A life channel)
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