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2012-08-12
中国代表团在伦敦奥运会创下了海外作战的历史最佳战绩。在一片鲜花、欢呼声和掌声中,三大球却独自落寞。此次伦敦奥运会,男、女足,男排连去伦敦的机会都没有。男篮5战皆墨,最终排名第十二,平了历史最差纪录。女篮和女排这两个曾经创下辉煌的项目,都是小组出线后首轮便被淘汰。
The Chinese delegation in London Olympic Games a combat overseas for the best record in the history。In a flower、Cheers and applause,Three big ball alone but lonely。The London Olympics,male、Women's,Men volleyball team to London even with no chance。Five games men's basketball team is ink,The final ranking 12,With the worst record history。Women's basketball team and women's volleyball team the two had made great project,Are the group stages after the first round will be eliminated。
中国三大球早早回家 China's three big ball comes home early
大球类的集体项目,一直都有着比较高的关注度。像女排甚至一直是中国体育的一个LOGO,男篮也一直是奥运会中国男子大球的代表。在本届伦敦奥运会中国拿到这么多金牌的背景下,大球项目的落寞对于体育迷来说实在是一个很大的遗憾。
Big ball of collective project,Always has a relatively high attention。Like women's volleyball team even has been Chinese sports a LOGO,Men's basketball team has also been the Olympic Games is the representative of the Chinese men's ball。In the London Olympic Games to China so much under the background of the gold medal,The lonely for sports fans ball project is a great regret。
杨敏:在三大球项目中,中国队获得的入场券本来就不多,除了男篮和女篮,就剩下中国女排了。中国女排这次无缘四强,确实是一个巨大的遗憾,毕竟机会曾经摆在面前,离胜利就差那么一点点,如今却四年血汗付诸东流。中国女排被分在“死亡之组”,同组有夺冠大热门美国女排、卫冕冠军巴西女排,还有欧洲劲旅塞尔维亚女排、土耳其女排以及亚洲老对手韩国女排,以中国女排的实力,要突围谈何容易。在开赴伦敦前的三个月,绝对主力王一梅又意外受伤了,这让原本就青黄不接的队伍更加雪上加霜。不过,女排姑娘确实给我们带来过惊喜,以小组第二名出线八强,淘汰赛还抽到了与日本女排争夺四强席位。当得知抽签结果之后,微博上的中国女排粉丝们兴奋地奔走相告,这确实是上上签啊,过去四年从没在重要的国际大赛中输过日本女排,谁又想到,竟然到了最关键的一战才阴沟里翻船呢?中国女排对于国人来说不仅仅是一支曾经夺得多个荣誉的金牌之师,她们还激励过一代人,“女排精神”被反复褒扬。新一代中国女排由80后和90后组成,但是国人看着她们比赛,心里始终割舍不掉女排情结。
YangMin:In the three big ball of projects,China get tickets was not much,In addition to the men's basketball and women's basketball team,Only the Chinese women's volleyball team。Chinese women's volleyball team for the game,Is really a great regret,After all opportunities have been in front,From victory a little less so now,But are now four years sweat suffer。Chinese women's volleyball team were placed in“Death group”,The group has a disapoiting American women's volleyball team、The defending champions Brazil women's volleyball team,And the European giants Serbia women's volleyball team、Turkish women's volleyball team and Asia old rivals South Korea women's volleyball team,With the strength of the Chinese women's volleyball team,To break are torn up。To London in the three months before the,Absolute main injury and wang yimei......,This makes that is the rainy day team worse。but,Women's volleyball team girl really bring us a surprise,In a group second quarter-final qualification,Knockout smoke with the Japanese women's volleyball team for the final four seats。When that after the draw,The blog of Chinese women's volleyball team fans BenZouXiangGao excitedly,This is really sign on it,Over the past four years have never in important international competition in the lost to the Japanese women's volleyball team,Who thought of,Should go to the most key match to the gutter turnover?Chinese women's volleyball team for americans is not only a once it won the gold medal is the teacher of the honorary,They also inspire a generation,“Women's volleyball team spirit”Being repeatedly compliment。A new generation of Chinese women's volleyball team from 80 and 90 after the composition,But americans look at their game,Always give not to drop in women's volleyball team complex。
张喆:在综合性运动会里,因为三大球是参与人数最多的集体项目,所以过往人们惯常都说三大球是“最重的金牌”。事实上,在中国全运会的金牌计算体系里,三大球项目的金牌是双算的,真正的“一块顶俩”。在奥运会的金牌统计系统中,虽然三大球项目的冠军依然只算一枚金牌,但长期以来很多国家依然相当重视这个项目的奥运会成绩。
zhang:In the comprehensive sports games,Because three big ball is involved in the largest number of collective project,So people are three big ball past usual is“Heaviest gold medal”。In fact,In China the national games gold medal in the system of computation,Three big ball of the project is double the gold medal count,real“A top two”。In the Olympic gold medal statistical system,Although the three big ball winner still only count a gold medal,But for a long time many countries is still quite aware of the project of the Olympic results。
张健强:篮球这次5场都输,早在预料之中。但输得颜面全无,超出想象。这一次伦敦之行,男篮的表现毫无疑问是难堪的。女篮在前三场的表现还相当不错,但后面也急剧下滑,淘汰赛遇到澳大利亚队被淘汰也是预料之中。如果从成绩指标来看,篮球下滑很多,因为男篮连续两届奥运会都出线了,女篮上届是4强。这一点,篮管中心是有责任的。
ZhangJianJiang:The basketball game 5 lost,As early as expected。But lose face nothing all day,Beyond imagination。This a trip to London,The performance of the men's basketball team is no doubt is embarrassing。Women's basketball team in their first three games have performed quite well,But also a sharp fall in behind,Knockout meet the Australian team eliminated is also expected。If from grades indicators,Basketball down many,Because the men's basketball for two consecutive Olympic Games are tournament,Women's basketball team is the last four strong。this,LanGuan center is responsible。
张喆:不过,正因为三大球是“集体项目”,因此这些项目的运动员培养方式是最复杂的、投入也最多的,而且出成绩的周期也最漫长。毫无疑问,三大球项目成绩突出的国家,一般都有比较雄厚的经济基础和相当发达的普及基础作为支撑。因此,三大球项目也是当今世界上“职业化”程度很高的项目,甚至是与传统奥运会的“业余原则”冲突最激烈的项目。正因为三大球先天的项目特性和发展方向,中国三大球的奥运成绩不佳近乎注定。
zhang:but,Because of three big ball is“Collective project”,So the project athletes cultivation mode is the most complicated、Most of the investment,And the result is a the most long cycle。There is no doubt that,Three big ball of project of national outstanding achievements,Generally has more solid economic basis and is in the foundation as a popular support。so,Three big ball project is now in the world“professional”A high degree of the project,Even with the traditional Olympic Games“Amateur principle”The most intense conflict of the project。Because of three big ball of innate characteristics and development direction of the project,China's three big ball of Olympic record was not good almost doomed。
外行管理内行埋下败因 Dilettante management adept buried the result
中国很多成功的体育项目都有非常典型的经验。内行管理比赛,教练和队伍结构一直很稳定,并且有一直不断学习的能力。而三大球过去都存在大量外行管理内行的问题,足球更是一直如此。
China a lot of successful sports project has a very typical experience。Adept management game,The coach and the team structure has been very stable,And have been learning ability。But there are three big ball past a layman management connoisseur of problems,Football is always been so。
杨敏:到现场观看中国女排VS日本女排的国际排联主席魏纪中对结果十分惋惜,并认为中国女排目前处于后继无人的尴尬境地,亟须进行人才培养机制的改革。他批评现在搞排球的人都急功近利,对基层的排球人员培养不重视。对于中国女排缺乏后备人才的问题,魏纪中认为是中国对基层教练的激励机制上有问题。培养一个运动员要打好基础是很困难的,是吃力不讨好的活儿。现在往往是基层教练员花了很多心血培养,一个电话就把人弄走了,他们什么都没得到,纯粹是为他人作嫁衣裳。
YangMin:Chinese women's volleyball team to the scene to watch the women's volleyball team player VS Japan international chairman of the results is very sorry wei jamie had,And that Chinese women's volleyball team at present is in the lack of an obvious successor of embarrassing position,Key to the reform of personnel training system。He criticized doing now of volleyball quick returns,The volleyball personnel of the basic level of training attention。Chinese women's volleyball team for lack of backup talents,W jamie had considered China of the basic level of coach incentive mechanism problems。Cultivate a player to play good foundation is very difficult,Is all the dirty work。Now the coaches are often spent a lot of care training,A phone call get us away,They didn't get what,Pure is making for others。
张健强:我们看到体育总局很多成绩很好的中心,都是内行在管理。像乒羽这种更是常年形成了独特的工作方式。而职业化项目最好的足球和篮球,这几年一直都处于很糟糕的状态。现在来看,是不是这些项目也应该学习传统的乒羽,让内行来管理项目。
ZhangJianJiang:We see a lot of the state general administration of sports scores are good center,Is adept in management。This is like PingYu perennial formed his unique way of working。And professional project the best football and basketball,For years that is in a very bad state。Now come to,Did these projects should also learn traditional PingYu,Let the judge to manage the project。
张喆:中国的三大球这次在奥运会的集体低迷是预料之中的事情,否则反而是怪事。其共同原因都是“外行领导内行”,都存在严重违反项目发展规律的决策错误。就足球而论,韦迪这位原来管水上项目的领导,自从来到足管中心,他做出的可笑事情就不胜枚举。此后,男足国奥队选用年老眼昏的布拉泽维奇做主帅,女足选用毫无经验的李霄鹏做主帅,都是“韦记”中国足协犯下的大错。当然,男足在中国的青训基础目前日益孱弱,女足甚至可以说整个基层体系都已经坍塌。如此人才积弱的局面,两个项目历史上首次同时止步于奥运决赛圈外,便是很合理的结果。
zhang:China's three big ball of the Olympic Games in the collective slump is expected things,Otherwise it is a strange thing。The common factor is“Dilettante leadership adept”,There is a serious violation of the development of the project decision-making errors。Football is far,WeiDi the original water pipe project leader,Since moving to foot tube center,He made the funny things to enumerate。Since then,Soccer team choose eye of old out braddock's manager jose do,Women's choose no experience of LiXiaoPeng do coach,are“Wei remember”The Chinese football association made a big mistake。Of course,The men in China's youth foundation at present increasingly shaky,Women's even the whole grassroots system have collapsed。So people JiRuo situation,Two projects for the first time in history more than the Olympic finals,Is very reasonable results。
大球发展需解决三大矛盾 Big ball of development to solve the three major contradictions
和其他项目最大的不同是,三大球是广泛开展的世界性运动,中国几乎不可能通过像个人项目那样集中资源的方式来取得成绩。发展联赛一直是一个主题,足球最近在改革,篮球也在反思,恒大女排是否未来也可以成为一个榜样?
And the biggest difference is the other projects,Three big ball is widely developing world sports,China may not be nearly as personal project that through focus resources of the way to win。Development league has been a theme,Football in recent reform,Basketball is reflection,Evergrande women's volleyball team is the future also can become a model?
杨敏:恒大女排是全国女排联赛各俱乐部羡慕的对象,但是,在市场化程度远不及中超的中国排球联赛中复制“恒大模式”难度极大。首先,“恒大模式”是很好,但必须看到,恒大女排不是全运会队伍,它的发展模式对联赛里的其他队伍没有借鉴意义可言。除了恒大女排之外,参加全国女排联赛的其他各支俱乐部球队,实际上都是所在省市的专业队。这些专业队的头号任务就是全运会,参加联赛的一个重要意义实际上也是为全运会练兵。因此,各家更注重培养自己的年轻队员,不会轻易引进外援。恒大夺冠的背后是金元铺路,引进的外援个个都是国际排坛顶级球星。女排联赛中的各支队伍连找个赞助商都困难重重,更不要说像恒大这样肯花大钱到外国去招人了。
YangMin:Evergrande women's volleyball team is the national women's volleyball league clubs and an object of envy,but,In the degree of marketization is far from the Chinese volleyball league soccer copy“Evergrande mode”Extremely hard。first,“Evergrande mode”Is very good,But must see,Evergrande women's volleyball team is not the national games,It's development mode of the other team in the league no significance whatsoever。In addition to evergrande women's volleyball team outside,Take part in the national women's volleyball league team other all the clubs,In fact in the provinces and cities are the professional leagues。These professional leagues number one task is the national games,The league one important significance for national games is really the parade。so,More attention to the cultivation of their own young players,Won't easily introduce foreign aid。Evergrande title is behind jinyuan pave streets,The introduction of foreign aid all are PaiTan top international star。All the women volleyball league teams even find a sponsor all difficulties,Don't say more like evergrande such will spend a lot of money to foreign countries to recruit people。
张喆:三大球靠职业联赛来推动发展和保证人才产出是不二法门。中超也好、CBA也好,还是女排联赛也好,虽然在管理模式和运行体制上难改“伪职业化”的面目,但对比其他非职业化市场化的项目, 总算是先走了很多步。无论目前遇见什么困难,这条“职业化”的道路绝不能走回头路!
zhang:Three big ball by professional league to promote development and ensure that personnel output is one。Soccer or、CBA or,Or women volleyball league well,Although in the management mode and operating system cannot change“Pseudo professional”face,But compared with other than professional market project, The whole is walked first many steps。No matter what difficulties at present meet,This article“professional”The road can never go back!
张健强:职业化肯定可以让项目变得更好,但不一定可以让国家队成绩变好。英超目前是世界第一足球联赛,但英格兰队成绩也一直很一般。一个项目的基础变化,才是国家队争取好成绩的主要条件。现在CBA一直在高呼回归联赛,姚明也成为这个变革的领头人。
ZhangJianJiang:Professional can certainly let project became better,But not necessarily can let national team scores better。The premiership now is the world's first football league,But the England team scores have been very general。A project the basic change,Is the national team of the main conditions for good grades。Now have been chanting regression league CBA,Yao also become of the leaders of the change。
张喆:中国三大球的职业联赛起步时间都很短,目前没有一个联赛是成熟的,也没有一家俱乐部是可以良性运营的,所以根本谈不上有什么“榜样”的意义。中国三大球职业联赛要发展,我觉得首先要解决以下三大矛盾:其一,是职业联赛的发展与基础培训体系的矛盾;其二,是职业联赛各个俱乐部投资人与三大球官方管理机构的矛盾;其三,是职业联赛的市场与回报的矛盾。(张健强 张喆 杨敏)
zhang:China's three big ball of professional league start time is very short,There is no one league is mature,No one can be benign operation of the club,So far from a??????“example”meaning。China's three big ball of professional league to development,I think at first to solve the following three major contradiction:one,Is the development of professional football league with basic training system of conflict;The second,Is professional league each club investors and three big ball officials of conflict;thirdly,The league is the contradiction between market and return。(ZhangJianJiang YangMin zhang)
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