CCTV2《央视财经评论》2013年1月22日播出《10元代购车票被刑拘，冤不冤？》，以下为节目实录：

CCTV2[CCTV financial review]On January 22, 2013 broadcast[Ten yuan is XingJu act as purchasing agency tickets,Cause cause not?],The following is a program memoir:

　　收拾好行李，心中荡漾着家人的叮嘱、故乡的温馨，盼望着启程回家，目前春运的大幕还没有拉开，但是各种车票的争夺战却已白热化，不少人见面的问候语都已经改成了：“您买到车票了吗？”每到这个时候，外出打工的农民兄弟都要为那张小小的车票而发愁。为了方便购票，铁道部推出了网上购票等等措施，但对于一些农民工朋友来说，很多人并不具备上网的条件和技术，这几天，广东佛山一对小夫妻因为帮助农民工从网上代买火车票每张收10块钱，而被刑事拘留的消息备受关注。10块钱帮农民工网上代购车票而被刑拘，小夫妻到底冤还是不冤呢？这件事情的背后有哪些值得我们思考？央视财经频道主持人陈伟鸿和著名财经评论员马光远、张鸿共同评论。

Packed luggage,Rippling heart family told/The warmth of home,Looking forward to set out on a journey home,At present the Spring Festival the haven't open,But all the tickets has intensified,Many people meet greeting have changed:"You buy the ticket?"Each to this time,Work out the farmer brother do it all for that piece of small ticket and worry.In order to facilitate the tickets,The ministry of railways launched online tickets and so on measures,But for some migrant workers for friends,A lot of people do not have the conditions and the Internet technology,These days,Guangdong foshan a pair of small husband and wife for help migrant workers from online ticket after each receive ten dollars,Custody and the concern about the news.Ten dollars to help migrant workers act as purchasing agency tickets online by XingJu,The young couple cause or not? What cause?This matter is behind what we think?The financial channel CCTV host ChenWeiHong and famous financial commentators MaGuangYuan/ZhangHong common comments.

　　帮农民工网上代购火车票，一张收取10块钱，佛山一对小夫妻被刑拘，到底冤不冤？代买代刷现象并非个案，有消费就有市场，10块钱背后折射去哪些耐人寻味的思考？

To help migrant workers act as purchasing agency tickets online,A charge $10,Foshan a pair of small husband and wife be XingJu,Cause not the cause?After generation brush phenomenon is not the case,There is a consumer market,Ten dollars to refraction behind what intriguing thinking?

　　近日，佛山一对刚结婚三个月的小夫妻因帮不会上网订票的农民工买火车票，每张收取10元手续费，夫妻双双被刑拘，警方表示，这个春节两人将在看守所度过。

recently,Foshan a just got married three months of small husband and wife for help won't surf the Internet booking of migrant workers buy train ticket,Each charge $10 charges,Husband and wife both XingJu,Police say,The Spring Festival two people will spend in jail.

　　金军安(广东佛山火车站派出所副所长)：它没有通过铁路部门的批准备案，也没有工商税务的营业执照，所以它是个非法的代售点。

JinJunAn(Guangdong foshan railway station deputy director of the local police station):It has no through the railway authorities for the record,No tax of commerce business license,So it is an illegal DaiShouDian.

　　根据刑法，只要具备高价、变相加价倒卖车票的行为，并符合票面价值5000元以上或非法获利2000元以上，就将面临刑事处罚。目前，铁路民警已经将收缴的火车票和身份证全部返还给已购票的外来务工人员。可拿到回家车票的外来工都为这对小夫妻叫冤、打抱不平。

According to criminal law,As long as have high/The behavior of the ticket scalping tariffs in disguised form,And in accordance with par value 5000 yuan or illegal profit 2000 yuan of above,Will face criminal penalties.At present,Railway police have seized by the train ticket and identity card all returned to has those migrant workers.Can get the ticket home for migrant workers in small husband and wife that cause/Help victim of an injustice.

　　方先生(外来务工人员)：几块钱都算倒票，那这个真的是没法说了这个，本来都不应该处理人家，大不了教育一下他，就把他放回来了事了。

Mr. Fang(Migrant workers):A few dollars would be speculative reselling of tickets,This is really can't say this,Originally should deal with somebody else,A big deal about his education,Just put him back over with the.

　　外来务工人员：如果到其它地方去，排队啊，一耽搁耽误是半天，要扣全勤奖，奖金何止5元，10元。

Migrant workers:If to other place,Queue!,A delay delay is half a day,To clasp perfect attendance award,Bonus far more than 5 yuan,Ten yuan.

　　外来工反映的情况，在火车站方面的数据上得到印证。佛山火车站表示，从春运车票开售至今，通过窗口和代售点直接售卖的火车票大概有25万张，而网络订票的只有6.4万多张，团体订票的则有348家，共67000多张。可见这些便捷的网上订票方式所占比例不到一半。

Migrant workers reflects the situation,Data in the railway station get confirm.Foshan railway station said,From the travel ticket open sales so far,Through the window and DaiShouDian direct selling a ticket is about 250000 copies,And network booking only more than 64000 zhang,The group tickets there were 348,A total of more than 67000 a.Visible these convenient tickets online way less than half the proportion.

　　今年，广铁集团开通了8种方式预售火车票，但对于不少农民工来说，买票的难度一点都没有减少。

This year,GuangTie group opened eight kinds of open to booking a train ticket,But for a lot of migrant workers is,The difficulty of the ticket did not decrease.

　　在广东东莞，来自湖南的老向因为自己不会使用网络，没有办法，只好到镇上唯一的一个火车票代售点排队买票。老向夜里快12点出发去排队，寻思自己排到了队伍的最前面，应该有十足把握能买到票了吧？可是，事与愿违的状况还是发生了。

Is in guangdong dongguan,From hunan old to because he will not use the web,There is no way,He went to the town's only a train ticket DaiShouDian lined up to buy tickets.Old to night nearly 12 point to queue,Thought his row to the front of the line,There should be a real grasp can buy tickets now?but,Contrary to the situation was still to come.

　　向先生(东莞市麻涌镇外来务工人员)：没买到(票)，显示出来有12张，可是打不出里，一会我再叫做他打，还是打不出来，等下再叫他打就没有了，票打完了。

XiangXianSheng(Dongguan hemp chung town migrant workers):Don't buy(ticket),There are 12 a display,But don't play in,For a moment I'll called him to play,Still can't be out,And call him to play is not,Ticket played the.

　　四川籍旅客：你还没输入身份证号码，票就拿走了，电话费打了200元，票还没订到。

Sichuanese passenger:You haven't input id card number,Ticket took,Bill hit 200 yuan,Ticket haven't order to.

　　火车票代售点是除了火车站最直接的一种购票渠道。火车票代售点通常都是铁道部门授权的，设立代售点需要办执照，并且向铁路部门申报和接受审批。根据规定，每张车票收取手续费5元，超过则为违规行为。火车票代售点的利润也是可观的。在网络售票大规模启动之前，热点城市核心地区的代售点，一般一天可以销售200多张火车票，以一张票收取五元钱的手续费计算，那就是一千多元。如果这个城市有150来家代售点，一天的收入就是15万元。有专家指出，最近爆出的广东佛山小夫妻收10块钱帮人代购火车票被刑拘的事件，就是因为触碰了代售点的利益。

In addition to the railway station DaiShouDian train ticket is the most direct a negotiating channel.Train tickets DaiShouDian are usually railway departments authorized,Set up DaiShouDian need to handle license,And from the railway department for examination and approval and acceptance.According to the regulation,Each ticket collection poundage 5 yuan,More than is illegal behavior.Train tickets DaiShouDian profit is considerable.In the network ticket before the start of mass,Hot city core area of DaiShouDian,Generally a day to sales more than a train ticket,With a ticket for five yuan fee calculation,That is one thousand yuan.If the city has 150 to their hometowns,A day of income is 150000 yuan.The expert points out,Guangdong foshan recently came the young couple charge $10 people act as purchasing agency train ticket to be XingJu event,It is because touched the DaiShouDian interests.

　　

张鸿：双赢的开始 双输的结局 ZhangHong:Win-win began to lose lose end

　　本来这个事是一个双赢的事，后来变成了双输。故事大概是这样的，这个地方是一个打工者云集的地方，有很多五金店，服装店，有几万外来打工者。春运开始了，他们发现可以提前买，但是订票点不够，附近只有一个，而且不方便。重要的一点是当网络可以订的时候，网络提前于订票点两天，他们不会上网，就是会上网也不能上班时间去上网，那么有一个小店的小两口在去年10月份刚刚结婚，老公就是做网购和快递的，上网技术很好。一开始有打工的说你帮我上网买个票，然后就帮了，后来发现因为我要排队，他姐姐说他排队去取票到晚上11点多才能拿回票来，这要付出很大的成本，然后收你10块钱，坏就坏在后来他扯了一个条幅，说我这地方买火车票。

Originally this is a win-win thing,Then becomes a dual lose.The story is about this,This place is a migrant workers gathered place,There are a lot of hardware store,Clothing store,Thousands of migrant workers.Travel started,They found that can buy in advance,But booking point is not enough,There is only one nearby,And it is not convenient to.The important thing is when the network can be the time of ordering,Network in two days in advance booking point,They don't surf the Internet,The Internet is also can't go to work time to surf the Internet,So there is a shop young couple getting married in October last year,The husband is to do the net and Courier,Internet technology is very good.Started with a job that you help me buy a ticket on the Internet,Then help the,I later found out that because I have to queue,His sister said he queue to get ticket to 11 o 'clock in the evening to take back to vote,This will have to pay a lot of cost,Then take you ten dollars,Bad is bad in later he pulled a continuous strip,Said I this place buy train ticket.

　　今天铁道部还在说什么呢，说你看我们现在自从开始网购了以后，我们现在购票环境就好多了，大家不用彻夜排队了，为什么不彻夜排队？是因为有众多这样的，我也来帮你买，还有人帮别人买，这不就是帮了铁道部吗。所以我觉得铁道部不应该打击他，应该感激他。

Today in the ministry of railways said what,Say you think we now since I started after the net,We are now negotiating environment is much better,You don't get through the night,Why not line up all night?Is because there are many such,I'll help you buy,Others help others to buy,This is to help the ministry of railways.So I think the ministry of railways should not hit him,Should be grateful for his.

　　

马光远：事实上这对小夫妻帮了铁道部的忙 MaGuangYuan:In fact the small husband and wife helped mor's busy

　　我觉得收钱是一个小事，事实上这一对夫妻帮了铁道部的忙，在这个夫妻出现以前，有多少人来质疑网站，订票订不上，突然有一个技术比较好的人帮着能订200多张票，多好的事。只要你掌握了订票网站的使用技巧，你仍然可以订到票，订票的整个过程是需要付出劳动的，所以我觉得收10块钱很正常。我们从情感上来讲，这个事本身应该说对社会没有很大的危害性，特别是当我看到这么一个案例以后，我一听说在网上代购票以后，然后被抄了，被抓起来，被刑拘了以后，我首先想他违反了什么法律？我们现在有哪一个法律规定说，这一对小夫妻不能替别人在网上买票，没有任何一部法律，而且没有社会危害性。我告诉你我的身份证号我愿意，我得到的是什么？就是我回家的一个方便。

I think that money is a small issue,In fact the couple help mor busy,In the husband and wife was developed,How many people to question website,Booking order in,Suddenly there is a technology better person help can order more than 200 tickets,Many good things.As long as you master booking website use skills,You still can book tickets,The whole process of booking is need to pay labor,So I think the ten dollars is very normal.We will tell from emotional,The thing itself should say no great harm to the society,Especially when I see such a case later,I hear of online generation after purchase,And then be copied,Caught up,Be XingJu later,First I want to him what a violation of the law?We now have a law which said,This a pair of small husband and wife can't buy a ticket for others on the Internet,No law,And no social harmfulness.I tell you my id number I would like to,I get a???????Is my home a convenient.

　　

李法宝：不能认为小夫妻的行为不是违法犯罪的行为 Lee a magic weapon:Can't think small couples behavior is not illegal and criminal behavior

　　这种行为在法律上还是有争议的，应该在2006年，铁道部，国家发改委，公安部，国家工商总局曾经联合下发了一个关于依法查处代售代办铁路客票非法加价和倒卖铁路客票违法犯罪活动的通知，在这个通知上明确的规定了，对于不具备代办铁路客票资格的单位和个人为他人代办铁路客票，属非法加价谋利的。

This kind of behavior in law or controversial,Should be in 2006 years,The ministry of railways,The national development and reform commission,The ministry of public security,State administration for industry and commerce have jointly issued a about the railway ticket agents shall investigate and deal with illegal mark-ups and stripping railway ticket illegal and criminal activities of the notice,In this notice on the clear rules,For does not have the qualification for railway ticket units and individuals for others for railway passenger ticket,Belong to illegal profit increase.

　　小夫妻的这个行为是一个违法犯罪的行为。根据2006年的规定，因为这对小夫妻没有铁路代办资格，每张客票加了10元钱是一种非法加价，谋利的行为。但这个规定是在2006年规定的，随着我国客票、火车票市场的实名制的规定，那么这个规定目前来说是不是还能继续有效，这是值得争议的。从我本人的理解，我认为在目前法律没有具体规定的情况下，或者是别有的法律还不能够适用目前新形势的情况下，对于本案建议还是慎重处理。但是我们不能认为这样的行为就不是违法犯罪。

Small husband and wife of this behavior is an illegal and criminal behavior.According to the provisions of the 2006,Because the small husband and wife no railway agent qualification,Each ticket plus ten yuan is a kind of illegal tariffs,Profit behavior.But this regulation is in 2006 the provisions,With China's ticket/The provisions of the train ticket market system,So the rules for now is still can continue to effective,This is at issue.From my own understanding,I think that in the law currently no specific provisions of,Or don't some law is not applicable to the present new situation of the case,For this case suggest or careful treatment.But we can't think that such behavior is not illegal crime.

　　

马光远：小夫妻代买火车票不是违法行为 MaGuangYuan:The young couple on behalf buy train ticket is not illegal behavior

　　如果说倒卖火车票构成犯罪的话，那么我们从刑法本身来讲，它指的是扰乱了购票秩序。那么你在我的电脑上给我买票，或者在张鸿的电脑上给我买票，或者说我代你来买票，这个票反正要买，这个票本身买了之后是实名制的，你怎么去倒卖？怎么叫扰乱？你在这个电脑上帮100个人买，你要完成整个秩序，我在100台电脑上自己买也要完成一个秩序。

If the ticket scalping word constitutes a crime,Then we will tell from the criminal law itself,It refers to the disturbed the order tickets.So you are in my computer to buy a ticket,Or in the ZhangHong computer to buy a ticket,Or I for you to buy a ticket,This ticket to buy anyway,This ticket itself after the system is bought,How do you go to stripping?How to let disturb?You're in the computer to help 100 people buy,You are about to finish the order,I am in 100 computers on your own to buy to also want to complete an order.

　　从法律上来讲，这是一个很简单的民事代理行为，就是我今天很忙，我买不了票。你玩电脑也比我强，你能抢到票，那么你给我弄，弄了以后，那我给你10块钱去买一个冰棍，这没有任何问题，这有什么问题？如果从一个完整的犯罪构成来讲，最起码有两个，第一个，主观上有恶意，也就是你明知道怎么样，你故意去做，而这对小夫妻本身一开始是帮忙的。第二，是要侵犯了某种秩序，那么从秩序来讲，不仅仅没有侵犯，反而给铁道部帮了忙，所以我觉得这个事不仅仅不是违法行为，更谈不上什么犯罪行为，那么到最后大家争议，为什么争议？我想绝对不是一种情绪，我觉得如果大家严格的从法律角度来讲，一点争议都没有，因为你没违反什么。再有，倒卖必须有倒卖的对象，它必须是一个种类物，就是从民法上讲将物品分为两种，第一个叫种类物，比如说人民币，张鸿给我100块钱，我后来给他还100块钱，这两个100块钱是不一样的。但是有一种物叫特定物，特定物就是说，比如说齐白石的这幅画，我卖给张鸿以后，他必须是特定的，那么我们现在的火车票已经从以前的种类物变成特定物了，变成特定物以后根本没法倒卖。

From the legal terms,This is a very simple civil agent behavior,Is that I'm very busy today,I can't buy the ticket.Do you play computer also stronger than me,You can get the ticket,So you got me,After got,That I give you ten dollars to buy a Popsicle,This won't have any problems,What's the problem?If from a complete in terms of the crime,At the very least, there are two,The first,Subjectively have malicious,Is you know,You deliberately to do,And this is for the young couple itself a beginning is help.The second,Is to infringe upon a certain order,So in terms of the order,Not only do not encroach on,But to the ministry of railways helped,So I think it not only is not illegal behavior,Let alone what crime,So to the last you dispute,Why dispute?I think is not a kind of mood,I think if we strictly from the legal perspective,A little dispute all have no,Because you have no violation of??????.have,Stripping must have the stripping of the object,It must be a genus,Civil law is from speaking will be divided into two kinds of items,The first thing that species,Such as the,ZhangHong give me 100 dollars,I later to he also 100 dollars,The two 100 dollars is not the same.But there is a thing called special thing,Special thing is,Qi baishi, for example the picture,I sold ZhangHong later,He must be specific,So now we have a ticket from the former kind things into a particular thing,Become a special thing later couldn't stripping.

　

　张鸿：火车票现在是实名制 没法囤积和倒卖 ZhangHong:Train tickets is now the system can't hoarding and speculation

　　火车票现在是实名制了，他没法囤积，谁需要就给谁买，必须得我和你达成代理关系，我才能给你买，你愿意让我买，我想要100块钱，你不同意了，那我也没法买。我认为我们这叫代买，不是代卖，如果说代卖的话，麦当劳，肯德基也是加盟的，不许你随便卖，中国食盐是专卖的不，许你随便卖，那没问题，我不卖。但是你去替我买二斤盐，我给你2块钱可不可以？你替我买麦当劳，肯德基，买个快餐来，我给你2块钱可不可以？这是可以的。

Train tickets is now the real-name system,He can't hoarding,Who needs to give who buy,Must I and you achieve agency relationship,I can buy you,Would you like to let me buy,I want 100 dollars,You don't agree with the,Then I can't buy.I think we after this call,Not DaiMai,If DaiMai words,McDonald's,KFC is also joined,Forbid you to sell,China is the salt monopoly,Allows you to literally sell,That's no problem,I don't sell.But you to buy me two jins of salt,I'll give you $2 can?You buy me a McDonald's,KFC,Buy a snack to,I'll give you $2 can?It is possible.

　

　张鸿：代购其实动的是代售点的奶酪 ZhangHong:Act as purchasing agency actually moving is DaiShouDian cheese

　　我们看上去是聊代购的事，其实动的是代售点的奶酪，因为代售点是铁道部特许，相对来说是垄断的，不是说你随便想弄个代售点，就可以弄个代售点的。生活经验告诉我们，如果你买飞机票的话，你可以随便找一个网站打个电话，而且是免费送，它不收任何费用，但这个火车票代售点还要收你5块钱。如果网上都订了的话，那这个代售点就没有钱可挣了，这5块钱他就挣不到了。至于酒店里替客人订火车票要50元，这里面应该有两笔费用，一笔费用是铁道部规定的代售点征收5块钱。另一笔费用是因为你住的那个酒店比较好，五星级酒店，你喝一杯水可能都收50块钱。

We look about what is bought,In fact DaiShouDian moving is the cheese,Because DaiShouDian is mor franchise,Is relatively monopoly,Not to say that you just want to get a DaiShouDian,You can get a DaiShouDian's.Life experience tells us,If you buy a plane ticket words,You can settle for a website to make a phone call,And it is free of charge,It does not collect any fee,But the train ticket DaiShouDian will charge you $5.If the order of words,The DaiShouDian, no money can be earned,The five dollars he earn not to.As for the hotel for the guest book train ticket to fifty yuan,There should be two fee,A fee is the provisions of the ministry of railways DaiShouDian collection of $5.Another fee because you live in the hotel is good,Five-star hotel,You drink a cup of water may collect fifty dollars.

　　

马光远：没有必要对这些替大家买火车票的行为进行管理 MaGuangYuan:There is no need to buy train ticket for all the behavior of management

　　真正的就是说那45块钱真正非法的费用，你可以去维权。但是要谈到一个管理问题，就是说有没有必要对这些替大家买火车票的行为，又不是铁道部的代售点要进行管理？我觉得毫无必要。随着铁道部把它的网站搞的好一点，大家操作起来非常随便，我妈都能操作的时候，就不用去拜托别人去给我买张票，因为我现在要操作的话，我都得研究半天，怎么上，怎么注册，怎么来交付等等。

Real is the true cost of 45 dollars illegally,You can go to rights.But when it comes to a management problem,There is no need to say to these for you buy train ticket behavior,The ministry of railways and not the DaiShouDian must carry on the management?I think there is no need.With the ministry of railways to its web site make better,We operate up very literally,My mother can operations,Don't have to please others to buy me a ticket,Because I will now operating words,I have to study half a day,How on,How to register,How to delivery, etc..

　　在日常中，就是社会事务本身，有些是需要法律来管理的，有些是不需要法律来管理的，因为这样的行为，比如我委托张鸿去做的话，我们完全可以达成一个交易，而且能够做成交易安全。我如果对张鸿不信任，我不会把我的身份证给他。他收100块钱，我都不认为有事，这是一种自愿行为。就是这个代理本身不在于收10块钱，甚至200块钱都没有任何问题。因为第一不存在倒卖，第二，我有这么一项技能，我帮大家来做，我没有损害任何人的权利，当某一个行为本身对社会有益而无害的时候，你为什么要管理？为什么要专营？为什么必须授权以后才可以去做呢？我觉得这种管理本身就很多余。

In the daily,Is the social affairs itself,Some are required by law to management,Some are not required by law to management,Because such behavior,For instance I ZhangHong entrusted to do,We can reach a deal,But also can make the transaction security.If I ZhangHong to distrust,I won't put my id card to give him.He receives 100 yuan,I don't think something,This is a voluntary behavior.Is the agent itself is not the ten dollars,Even 200 dollars are without any problems.Because the first does not exist in,The second,I have such a skill,I help you to do,I didn't harm anyone's rights,When a certain behavior itself is beneficial to the society and the harmless,Why do you want to management?Why do you want to specialize in?Why must be authorized to do later?I think this management itself is more than a lot.

　

　张鸿：没有门槛 谁干的好谁来 ZhangHong:There was no threshold who stem of good who will

　　这其实就是专业的人来干专业的活，更多市场化来解决这个问题，有网友说春运要学春晚，春晚提出开门办春晚，总导演还说拆门办春晚，没有门槛，谁干的好谁来。铁道部这一次的春运，无论是前期的3亿多的系统因为空调两次都停掉了，还是后来的刷票软件、抢票软件等，还是现在的代买的整个事件，其实都透露出一个问题，就是我们面对这个事是先拒绝，禁止你这么干，但是反过来其实更好。既然你干的比我好，那我们就把这个活交给你干，或者我们吸取更多你的经验。因为这个事件现在已经是平的了，我们非要挖个坑自己，这个太辛苦。

This is actually a professional person to do professional live,More market to solve the problem,Have net friend say its travel to learn,Open the door to do its put forward its,General director also said that open the door to do day television gala,There was no threshold,Who did well who will.The ministry of railways this time travel,Whether the more than 300 million system for air conditioning two all stop off,Still later brush ticket software/Rob ticket software, etc,Or the whole event after now,Actually all show a question,Is that we face this thing is to refuse,Forbid you to do that,But, in turn, is better.Since you did better than I,Then we will give the life to you to do,Or we draw more your experience.Because of this event is now a flat,We must dig a pit yourself,This too hard.

　　

马光远：火车代售不应该有门槛 MaGuangYuan:The train booking should not have threshold

　　事实上，对整个社会来讲，肯定是一个有益的思维的转换，而且是一个伟大的转换。我们如果反过来讲，我们社会管理的目的是什么？我们制定法律的目的是什么？是为了让社会变好，是为了让大家更加方便，是为了有利于大家，如果某一个法规，某一种行政授权本身严重影响了大家方便的话，我们为什么要拒绝方便？所以张鸿讲的拆门非常好，火车代售不应该有门槛，是个很简单的行为，为什么要设什么专营的一些店？

In fact,On the whole social terms,It is a beneficial thinking conversion,And it is a great transformation.If we speak in turn,Our social management purpose is???????We have formulated the end of law is what?In order to make society better,Is to let people more convenient,In order to you can have,If a certain regulations,A kind of administrative license itself seriously affected everyone convenient,Why should we refuse to convenient?So ZhangHong and speak very good,The train booking should not have threshold,Is a very simple behavior,Why do you want to put some of the shop specializing in what?