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越秀地产星汇名庭改规划 部分业主公示期强烈反对--亲稳舆论引导监测室
2012-07-12

  楼市调控,投资受遏制,刚需主导市场,中小户型走俏。为迎合市场需求,越秀地产星汇名庭于上月申请修改规划,欲将二、三、四期部分大户型产品改小,在总建筑面积不变的基础上增加377户。但已购买该楼盘住宅的部分一期业主担心小区公共资源被分薄,生活质量因此下降,房子也会贬值,进而强烈反对修改规划

Property market regulation,Investment by the curb,Just need to dominate the market,Medium and small family model popular。To meet the market demand,Yuexiu real estate star remit name apply for revision in court last month plan,To the、three、Four parts of large family product change small,In total construction area is unchanged on the basis of increase of 377。But already buy the building of the house of a period of the community public resources was worried about thin points,The quality of life so down,The houses will be devaluation,And then strongly oppose modification plan。

  开发商申请增加户数部分业主提出申诉

Developers to apply for an increase of the number of complaints

  根据江门市城乡规划局网站上的调整规划公示,星汇名庭申请调整二、三、四期部分住宅层数、户型平面、层高和建筑面积,增加户数377户,停车位数量相应增加;“3-1商业楼”减少层数,建筑平面微调;“3-2商住楼”位置及布局微调;取消原“3-3商业楼”等。“修改内容符合规划条件要求,小区总计容建筑面积不变。”

According to the web site of the urban and rural planning bureau jiangmen city planning is adjusted public,Star remit name for the court adjustment、three、Part four period residence layer、Door model plane、Storey height and building area,Increase the number of 377,Parking space number increase;“3-1 businesses”Reduce layer,Building plane fine-tuning;“3-2 commerce-residence building”Position and layout fine-tuning;Cancel the original“3-3 businesses”etc。“Modify content conform to the planning of the requirements,Total building area of the same village let。”

  星汇名庭策划人员沈建宇告诉记者,根据市场需求,考虑到星汇名庭原规划中的大户型产品较多,因此做出将180多平方米和190多平方米的大户型产品改小的调整,将部分原先为两梯两户大户型设计,修改为两梯三户或两梯四户,修改后的户型面积大约为80—90平方米。据其介绍,涉及此次规划调整的住宅楼目前正在打地基,计划明年5月初推向市场。而取消原规划为餐厅的“3-3商业楼”,则是因为星汇名庭经过市场调查,发现餐厅的存在意义不大,“建设了也是浪费”。

Star of planning personnel ShenJianYu remit division, told reporters,According to the market demand,Considering the star of the original planning in the court which large family more products,So make will be more than 180 square meters and 190 square meters of large family product change small adjustments,Part of the original two families for two ladder big door model the design,The modification of the two ladder three household or two ladder four households,Modification of the door area is about 80, 90 square meters。According to this,The plan involved the adjustment of residential buildings are now playing a foundation,Plan to market early may next year。And the planning for the restaurant's cancellation“3-3 businesses”,It is because of the stars send name court by market investigation,Find the existence of the restaurant is of little use,“The construction is wasted”。

  星汇名庭的规划调整申请,遭到了部分业主的强烈反对。据业主介绍,有120多名业主已在调整规划公示期内向江门市城乡规划局提出申诉。

The name of the star which court planning application for adjustment,Part of the owner was strongly opposed。Introduce according to the owner,More than 120 owner has set up a file in the adjustment of the planning of urban and rural planning bureau to jiangmen during public appeal。

  开发商只邀请部分业主开会业主质疑其“分化业主”

Developers only invited some owner owner questioned the meeting“Differentiation owner”

  面对反对声,星汇名庭试图与业主沟通,取得理解。业主朱先生告诉记者,星汇名庭一名负责规划的工作人员上周二与其面谈,试图说服其接受规划调整。“改规划太过分,还是偷偷摸摸的,都不通知,很多业主包括我都不知道。后来我才知道,赶紧去规划局申诉。我很明白地告诉她(该工作人员),增加377户,绝对不能接受。”朱先生表示,万一规划调整方案最终通过,他可能会联合其他业主,聘请知名房产律师起诉星汇名庭。

Face the cries of dissent,Star remit and owner of court trying to communicate,Get understanding。Owner Mr. Chu told reporters,The court a name which is responsible for the planning staff last Tuesday and interview,Trying to persuade its accept planning adjustment。“Change planning too far,Or sly,Don't notice,Many owners including I don't know。Later I learned that,Go to planning bureau appeal。I clearly tell her(The staff),Increase 377 homes,Absolutely can't accept。”Mr. Chu said,One thousand planning adjustment plan through eventually,He could with other owners,Famous real estate lawyer Sue hired star name remit division。

  上周四傍晚6时半,星汇名庭召开与部分业主的座谈会,就规划调整一事进行沟通。此前,星汇名庭欲召集部分业主开会的消息一传出,业主们就在Q群里炸开了锅。业主们对星汇名庭只通知部分业主,以及要求“凭短信进场”、“每户只能一位代表”等行为产生怀疑,认为星汇名庭有意“分化业主”。经过讨论之后,业主们决定,无论有没有收到通知,有时间的业主都前往参加会议。

On Thursday evening when six and a half,The court with a part of a name which the owner of the forum,The adjustment is planning to communicate。after,Star remit to convene a meeting of the court the news of the week,The owners in Q group blasted pot。The owners of the remit of court only inform part owner,And requirements“By text message comes into play”、“Every can only a representative”The behavior such as suspicion,Think star remit to a court“Differentiation owner”。After the discussion after,The owners decided to,No matter have received notice,The owner have time to attend the meeting。

  上周四傍晚,记者与朱先生等业主一同前往星汇名庭销售中心参与座谈会。站在门口的工作人员要求核实身份才放行。在得知朱先生并没有得到邀请以及记者的身份之后,该工作人员表示要先行请示。几分钟后,工作人员予以放行。

On Thursday evening,Journalists and Mr. Chu, together with the owner to star remit sales center court in a forum。Standing in the doorway of the staff to release the identity verification requirements。Mr. Chu and don't get that invited and a journalist later,The officer said to associate first。After a few minutes,Staff to release。

  座谈会上,业主围绕规划调整提出自己的意见和要求,唇枪舌剑,现场讨论激烈。有业主质疑开发商只邀请部分业主开会的动机,开发商表示,“主要考虑到会议室太小,不能容纳全部业主,于是分批通知。”会议持续了差不多一个小时,双方并未谈出实质性结果。

forum,Owner put forward his plan adjustment around the opinions and demands of the,thrust,Site a heated debate。Owner questioned developers only invited part owner of a meeting motives,Developers said,“The main consideration to the conference room is too small,Cannot accommodate all the owners,So the partial notice。”The meeting lasted about an hour,Both sides did not talk about the substantial results。

  争论焦点

controversy

  PK

pk

  1.规划调整,业主利益是否受损?

1. The adjustment plan,The owner of interest whether damaged?

  业主卢先生:我现在从事房地产评估,对你们的规划有一些认识。规划调整之后会带来两方面的影响。第一,因为住宅户数增加,小区人口从而增加,人均配套设施变少,对我们一期的住户来说,我们买的住宅间接贬值了。第二,商业面积少了,配套面积少了,我们生活的硬件上有所损失。因为住户多了370多户,例如一户3人,会增加1000人,使得我的生活质量下降了。

Owner Mr Roh:I now engaged in real estate appraisal,The plan to have some of you know。After the adjustment plan will bring two effects。The first,Because the house of households increased,Village population increase,Per capita facilities less,A period of the residents of our it,We buy a house of indirect fallen。The second,Business area is less,Supporting area of less,We live on hardware somewhat loss。For more than 370 homes for residents,For example a door 3 people,Will add 1000 people,Make my life quality has dropped。

  开发商:卢先生的担心,我可以理解,但有一些不是很认同。首先,户数增加是事实。相信所有业主反对的最大原因,就是户数增加导致公共资源分薄。但是,我希望各位站在我的角度理解一下。第一,现在不是我们想调,是市场不由人。一套190平方米左右的房子,卖8000元/平方米,大约160万买一间毛坯房。而来星汇名庭买房的,几乎都是二套房,二套房贷款最多四成,自付六成,大家压力都很大。我们(调整规划是)考虑到市场的因素。

developers:Mr Roh's worry about,I can understand,But some of them are not very approbation。first,Households increase is the fact。Believe that all the owner against the biggest reason,Is the increased number of public resources points thin。but,I hope all of you stand in my view the understanding。The first,Now we want to transfer is not,The market is not people。A set of 190 square meters around the house,Sell for 8000 yuan/square metre,About 1.6 million buy a semifinished product room。And to the house of which court,Almost two suites,Two suites loans up to forty percent,Since pay sixty percent,You stressed。we(Adjustment planning is)Considering the market factors。

  至于贬值一说,值得商榷。因为我原来没用足这块地的规划指标,包括户数等。现在这么调是不得已而为之。因为如果不调,我们公司的生存可能就有问题,那我们的幼儿园什么时候能盖得起来?

As for depreciation said,questionable。Because I had no foot the land planning index,Including households, etc。So now the is necessity。Because if not adjusted,Our company's survival may have problems,That our kindergarten when can disappear up?

  我也不想(改规划)。我们重新做设计,重新做报建,要多花很多钱。盖多一层楼,我也要多花很多钱。我是没有利益的。我唯一的好处就是好卖一点,就有钱回笼,建二期、三期,建幼儿园、商业区,把整个小区建好它,完善它。

I also don't want to(Change planning)。We back to the design,Back to the construction,To spend a lot of money。Cover a floor,I also want to spend a lot of money。I'm no interest。I the only benefit is to sell a little,Will have the money to pull,Built phase ii、Three phase,Built kindergarten、Business district,The whole village to build it,Perfect it。

  2.若修改规划,是否应该对已购房业主做出适当补偿?

2. If modified planning,Whether it should be to make appropriate compensation has buys a house owner?

  业主卢先生:规划调整后,增加了住宅层数,导致商业面积减少。配套的商业面积减少了大概三分之一,导致我们的生活没那么方便,甚至我们的住宅贬值。你们是否应该对一期的业主做出适当的补偿?

Owner Mr Roh:Planning after adjustment,Increase the house layer,Business area to reduce。Supporting the commercial area reducing about a third,To cause our life less convenient,Even our house depreciation。If you should have a period of the owner to make appropriate compensation?

  开发商:如果你们认为商业面积那么重要,我们保留商业面积,只是将住宅面积调小一点。你们肯不肯?

developers:If you think the commercial area is so important,We keep the business area,Just the residential area will be a little bit small。You would?

  业主:不肯。人多了。

owner:Refused to。Person many。

  开发商:之前的规划没有用足指标。这个人数的多寡,在《城市规划法》是以标准户数来计算。至于居住人口,真正居住人数与规划人数是有偏差的。200平方米可能是三代同堂,住6—8人,如果是两套100平方米的房子,也是住6—8人。我们的规划调整符合国家的所有规范要求,符合所有指标。

developers:The planning before use foot index。The amount of the number,in《Urban planning》The standard is to calculate the number。As for the resident population,The real number is the number of living with planning is a deviation。200 square meters may be three generations,Live 6-8 people,If two sets of the house of 100 square metre,Also live 6, 8 people。Our plan adjustment comply with the state's all code requirements,Comply with all index。

  3.规划修改,能否退房?

3. Planning modification,Can check out?

  业主:当初我买房时就是看中小区的规划。你有理由修改你的规划,我有理由提出申诉。你只要同意我退房,你怎么改都行。我就按合同来办。

owner:At the outset I when buying a house is the fancy planning。You have a reason to modify your planning,I have good reason to file a petition。If you agree to my check-out,How do you change will do。I will do according to the contract。

  开发商:合同上面有说我改规划你就退房吗?

developers:The contract has said I changed my plan above you check out of the room?

  4.规划修改,小区档次是否降低?

4. Plan changes,District class is reduced?

  业主:我们冲着小区的住宅环境及江门最顶级的档次来买,现在大户型改成小户型,小区突然多了1000人,像个菜市场,档次降低了。

owner:We shouted at the residential environment and jiangmen's top class to buy,Now the big family into a small family,More than 1000 people in the community suddenly,Like a vegetable markets,Class reduces the。

  开发商:我们改户型不是改档次,豪宅并不一定是大户型。200平方米的房子可以住6个人,也可以住两三个人,人数取决于业主。在法律角度和规划角度来说是以标准户数来算,而不是以居住人数算。

developers:We change family not to class,A person of extraordinary powers curtilage is not always a big family。The house of 200 square metre to live of six,Can live two three people,Depending on the number of the owner。In the legal Angle and planning perspective is to be the standard of households,Not to live is the number。

  规划局:若反对意见有足够支撑 或不同意规划调整通过

Planning bureau:If the opposition have enough support or don't agree with planning by adjustment

  【部门回应】

【Departments response】

  本周二上午,记者致电江门市城乡规划局咨询。接电话的工作人员告诉记者,江门市规划局已经收集了业主们的反对意见,目前正在研究。业主的反对意见,若有足够的支撑,规划部门可能就不同意规划调整通过,或者会要求开发商与业主协商,“有时我们也会开听证会”,无论规划调整通过与否,一般情况下,规划部门都会通知每一位提出反对意见、留有联系方式的业主。

On Tuesday morning,Reporters call jiangmen urban and rural planning bureau consultation。Pick up the telephone staff, told reporters,Jiangmen planning bureau has collected the owners of opposition,They are working on。The owner of the opposition,If there is enough support,Planning department might not agree with planning by adjustment,Or will ask to develop business to negotiate with the owner,“Sometimes we will open hearings”,No matter whether or not the adjustment plan through,In general,Planning department will notify each object、Contact with the owner。

  其还表示,反对人数多少对规划调整通过与否有一定影响;业主可以致电反对,但最好是提出书面意见;按照规划法,规划调整要通过,首先应该公示,告诉业主,“业主可以提出反对,但这需要有理由”。

It also said,The number of planning how much against adjustment with or not a certain effect;The owner can call against,But it's better to put forward written opinion;According to the programming method,Planning to through adjustment,Should public,Tell the owner,“Owner can put forward to oppose,But this need a reason”。

  售楼广告上户型介绍

Advertising sales on door model is introduced

  可视为开发商的许诺

Can be regarded as developers promise

  开发商要修改规划,业主应该怎样维护自身权益?对于开发商承诺的学位,目前购房合同中并无约定,业主应该怎样维护自己的权益?记者就上述问题咨询了本报法援在线李英姿律师。

Developers to change the plan,How should the owner to maintain their own rights?For developers promised degree,At present in the contract and no contract,Owner how should protect their own rights and interests?Reporter above-mentioned problem consulting the legal aid, the online LiYingZi lawyer。

  李英姿表示,根据《中华人民共和国城乡规划法》第五十条规定,经依法审定的修建性详细规划、建设工程设计方案的总平面图不得随意修改;确需修改的,城乡规划主管部门应当采取听证会等形式,听取利害关系人的意见;因修改给利害关系人合法权益造成损失的,应当依法给予补偿。

LiYingZi said,According to《The People's Republic of urban and rural planning》Provisions of article 50 of the,The examination and approval in accordance with the construction of sexual detailed planning、Construction project design scheme of the total plan may not be free to change;That really need to be modified,Urban and rural planning departments shall take the form of hearing, etc,Listen to the opinions of the interested parties;Because of the revision of the legal rights to the interested party of the loss,Shall be compensated according to law。

  业主应该注意,开发商在售楼时,广告宣传等是否有对户型、小区规划的详细介绍。若有,则相当于开发商已对其作出许诺。

Owner should pay attention to,Developers in sales,Advertising and have the family、District planning the detailed introduction。If there is,Was equivalent to developers have to make the promise。

  根据最高人民法院《关于审理商品房买卖合同纠纷案件适用法律若干问题的解释》第三条规定,商品房的销售广告和宣传资料为要约邀请,但是出卖人就商品房开发规划范围内的房屋及相关设施所作的说明和允诺具体确定,并对商品房买卖合同的订立以及房屋价格的确定有重大影响的,应当视为要约。该说明和允诺即使未载入商品房买卖合同,亦应当视为合同内容,当事人违反的,应当承担违约责任。

According to the supreme people's court《On the trial of commodity house business contract dispute case applicable law the explanation of some issues》The provisions of article 3,The sales of commercial advertising and promotion material is an invitation to offer,But the seller is commodity housing development planning area to the houses and related facilities of the instructions and promised to is specific and affirmatory,And the formation of the contract for the sale of commodity houses and determine the price of a major influence,Should be regarded as an。The instructions and promised to even if not load the contract for the sale of commodity,Also shall be regarded as the contract contents,The parties of the violation of,It shall be liable for breach。

  若双方合同上有对此进行明确约定的,可以根据合同要求开发商承担违约责任。若合同没有约定,业主可以就因开发商违规改建行为给业主造成的损失要求开发商承担违约责任。开发商所做出的学位承诺,若无写入购房合同,只是口头许诺的话,业主想要有依据,就必须从另一个角度搜集证据。其实,口头许诺也能成立,但业主要举证证明。《民诉法》规定,谁主张谁举证。录音、录像等都可以作为口头承诺的证据。

When both parties to the contract expressly agreed upon it,According to the contract can ask to develop business to undertake responsibility of breach。If the contract does not have an agreement,The owner can just because developers illegal behavior to the owner a reconstruction the loss caused by ask to develop business to undertake responsibility of breach。Developers make degree commitment,If have no written to the contract that buy a house,Just oral promise words,The owner wanted to have a basis,We must start from another Angle collect evidence。In fact,Oral promise can also established,But the owner to produce evidence to prove。《Civilian law》provisions,Who advocate who proof。recording、Videos can be as oral evidence of commitment。

  逾九成受访市民认为

More than ninety percent said that citizens

  修改规划应通知每一位业主

Modify planning shall inform the each owner

  调查

survey

  上周日,针对近期江门多个楼盘修改规划所引起的纠纷,本报开展了一次调查。问题包括“近期,不少业主向本报投诉,开发商修改小区规划,使其利益受损。开发商为了顺利通过规划修改,在尽公示责任时,往往最大程度地降低影响、减少关注。对此,您认为?”,选项分别为“A.开发商已按规定尽公示责任的,不能及时知情的业主只能自认倒霉”、“B.目前在江门修改规划,必须在规划部门网站公示,在小区公示以及登报,但仍存在部分业主未能及时知情的情况。国家相关法律法规应该明确规定,开发商有通知每一位业主的责任,未尽责任则应承担相应法律责任,以保障每一位业主的知情权。”调查结果显示,收回的83份有效问卷中,76位市民选择了B选项,大约占有效问卷总数的91.6%。

Last Sunday,According to recent jiangmen many projects.following modify planning infringement disputes,Our newspaper a survey。Problems including“recent,Many owner complaints to our newspaper,Developers modify district planning,Make its interests damaged。Developers in order to successfully through the planning modification,In all public responsibility,Often reduce influence to the greatest extent、Reduce attention。this,Do you think?”,Options were“A. developers have all public responsibility according to regulations,Not only the knowledge of the owner in the bad luck”、“B. currently in jiangmen modification plan,In planning department web site must be published,In the community public and publicizing,Yet there is still part of the owner failed to timely informed of the situation。Relevant national laws and regulations should be explicitly,Developers have notification each owner's responsibilities,Not responsibility, shall bear the corresponding legal responsibility,In order to ensure each owner's right to know。”The results show that the,Back in the 83 valid questionnaires,76 citizen choose B options,Accounting for about 91.6% of the total effective questionnaire。

  第二个问题是,“已购房的业主如反对规划修改,可将意见交到规划局。对于侵害业主利益、有证据支撑的反对意见,规划局会采纳,并和开发商协商修改。对此,您认为?”选项分别为“A.签订购房合同之后,开发商已承诺给予业主如规划所示的小区环境。若修改规划,应该征得一定比例(如过半、2/3等)的业主同意,才能通过规划修改”、“B.开发商有修改规划的自由,业主有反对的权利,业主只能接受公平博弈之后的结果。”调查结果显示,64位市民选择了A选项,大约占有效问卷的77.1%。

The second problem is,“Already buying such as opposition planning the changes,Can make planning bureau opinion。Owners benefits for infringement、There is evidence to support of opposition,Planning bureau will adopt,And and developers consultation modification。this,Do you think?”Options were“A. after signing the contract,Developers have promised to give owners such as planning, as shown in the residential environment。If modified planning,Should ask for certain proportion(If more than half、Two-thirds, etc)The consent of the,Through the planning to modify”、“B. developers have modified planning of freedom,The owner is against rights,The owner can only accept fair game after of result。”The results show that the,64 citizen chose A options,For about 77.1% of the effective questionnaire。

  文/图 见习记者 梁晓琳 实习生 黄文波

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