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中国农业大学动物医院“无照经营”引热议--亲稳网络舆情监控室
2012-10-30

  10月21日,王女士抱着已经陪伴了她和家人12年的爱犬走出中农大我爱我爱动物医院海淀分院的大门。此时,雨正越下越大,从诊疗室里送王女士出门的医生站在门口,叮嘱她“有情况随时来电话”。王女士一边应声感谢,一边把裹着小棉被的爱犬安置到电动车上。出于信任,王女士选择了这家医院。她并不知道,前不久,中国农业大学动物医院卷入一场“无照经营”风波。

On October 21,,Ms. Wang hold have to accompany her and family 12 years dog out of the middle peasants self love I love animal hospital haidian sorting gate.At this time,The rain is increasing,From the doctor's office to ms. Wang out doctor stood in the doorway,Told her"Are there circumstances feel free to call".Ms. Wang side answer thank,Side wrapped with small quilt dog placed into the electric vehicle.Out of trust,Ms. Wang chose the hospital.She didn't know,Not long ago,China agricultural university animal hospital involved in a"unlicensed"storm.

  作为教学医院,中国农业大学动物医院一直对外经营,“没有经营资质”的消息一经曝出,在众多宠物主人、流浪动物救助者以及业内引发了广泛议论。业内人士表示,中国农业大学动物医院只是因为其教学医院的性质,但事实上,其他商业性动物医院想要获取资质顺利营业,也并非一件容易的事。

As a teaching hospital,China agricultural university animal hospital has been foreign business,"No business qualification"The news of the exposure,In many pet owners/Stray animals and the rescuer caused extensive discussion.The personage inside course of study says,China agricultural university animal hospital just because of its nature of the teaching hospital,But in fact,Other commercial animal hospital want to obtain smooth business qualification,It is not an easy thing.

  现状 status

  教学医院有口碑无资质 Teaching hospital has no qualification reputation

  顾客说: The customer said:

  “只要口碑好资质有没有不碍事” "As long as good reputation qualification have do not matter"

  10月21日中午,王女士抱着爱犬跟医生在门口道别时,又有两位宠物主人走进了医院。中农大我爱我爱动物医院海淀分院看上去不算很大,进入大门口,一排座椅供前来就诊的宠物主人们休息、等候,里面是分诊室、手术室。在门口座椅的右前方是咨询台,咨询台上方的监视器分成了几个小窗口,分别显示着二楼“住院部”各个房间的情况,其中两间里都有宠物主人在看护着自己的小狗。十几分钟时间里,陆续有三位宠物主人带着自家的爱犬来到这家医院,分诊室里,一对年轻夫妇正在等候医生给他们的小猫进行检查。

At noon on October 21,,Ms. Wang holding the best with your doctor at the door said goodbye,And there are two pet owners into the hospital.Middle peasants self love I love animal hospital haidian sorting looks is not great,Into the gate,A row of seats to come round to see a doctor for pet owners to rest/Waiting for,The inside is points clinic/Operating room.In the doorway of the seat is right in front of the desk,Help desk top of the monitor is divided into several small window,Respectively show the second floor"In-patient department"Each room situation,Between the two of them there are pet owners in the care of his own dog.More than ten minutes,In in succession three pet owners with his pet dog came to the hospital,Points in the clinic,A pair of young couples are waiting for the doctor to their kitten for inspection.

  跟这里相比,几公里远的另外两家动物医院要冷清许多。这两家医院分别位于龙翔路和北辰西路,医生们要么在自己的桌前休息,要么是跟其他工作人员聚在一起闲聊。

Compared with here,A few kilometres from two other animal hospital to cold and cheerless many.The two hospitals located in dragon road and beichen west road,The doctors either in their own table to rest,Either with other staff together chatting.

  说起中国农大动物医院没有经营资质一事,王女士愣了一下,“没有经营资质怎么能对外营业呢?”王女士脸上现出些许迷惑,随后又说,“不过我家小狗以前生病一直来这家,挺信任他们的,在网上也查过,农大动物医院的口碑一直不错,这里又是分院,工商经营资质有没有我觉得不碍事。”

Speak of Chinese nongda animal hospital no business the qualification,Ms. Wang leng4 once,"How can no business qualification of foreign business?"Ms. Wang face wore a little confused,Then said,"But my puppy sick before has been to this,A trust their,In the online also checked,Nongda animal hospital reputation has been good,Here is the sorting,Business qualification and commerce have I think do not matter."

  医生说: The doctor said:

  “申请了执照还能叫教学医院吗?” "Apply for a license could raise teaching hospital?"

  “娃娃”是一名志愿者,经常参与救助流浪动物,并带它们去动物医院进行医治。“虽然农大动物医院没经营资质,但医术好,所以很多人认它,有经营资质的不见得医术好。”同时,“娃娃”还反问:“有资质又能代表什么呢?只要医生有认证资格证书就OK啊,这个资质只是工商注册方面的问题,并不能代表医生的医术水平,现在很多手续齐全的动物医院其实医术一般,像农大医院这样的好医院不多,他们其实培养了很多优秀的动物医生,现在大家都认农大,就是冲着医生、医术去的。”

"doll"Is a volunteer,Often participate in salvage stray animals,And took them to animal hospital to heal."Although nongda animal hospital no business qualification,But good medical,So many people recognize it,Have management qualification not good skill."At the same time,"doll"Also ask:"Have aptitude and can represent?As long as the doctor have the authentication qualification certificate is OK ah,The qualification is registration problems,And do not represent the doctor's medical skill level,Now a lot of formalities complete animal hospital actually leechcraft general,Like nongda hospital such a good hospital not much,They actually has trained a lot of outstanding doctor for animals,Now everyone recognize nongda,Is at the doctor/Leechcraft go."

  李军(化名)从业已经20多年。1992年,李军在中国农业大学读书,便是在农大动物医院进行专业实习。听说农大动物医院没有经营资质后,李军吃了一惊。“我一直以为农大是有工商经营资质的,那时候也没有人会多想这方面的问题,觉得既然有这家医院,那各种手续什么的肯定没问题,不光我自己,我们业内的人都挺意外的,毕竟很多人都是从农大毕业出来的,也在那里实习过,谁也没想到。”

LiJun(alias)From has more than 20 years.In 1992,,LiJun in China agricultural university,Is in the nongda animal hospital for professional practice.Heard that nongda animal hospital no business after qualification,LiJun taken aback."I always thought that nongda is a business qualification and commerce,At that time, no one will think more about this problem,Think since have the hospital,The various kinds of formalities of what sure no problem,Not only my own,We the people are quite unexpected,After all, a lot of people from nongda graduation out,Are there in practice,Who also have never thought."

  李军认为,农大是“个案”,之所以会出问题,是因为它是一家教学医院,主旨是为学生提供临床实习的机会和场所。“这几天也跟一些同行聊,觉得像这种校办医院,因为它自己的教学性质,所以可能在工商注册方面会遇到问题,更像是‘历史遗留问题’,内部可能有理不清的地方,比如谁来当法人。”

LiJun think,Nongda is"case",Can be a problem,Because it is a teaching hospital,Purpose is to provide students with clinical internship opportunities and place."This few days also with some chat together,Feel like the school-run hospital,Because of its own teaching properties,So it may be for industry and commerce registration will encounter problems,More like‘Problems left over by history’,Internal may rational not clear place,Such as who as legal persons."

  动物医生赵强(化名)认为,学校背景才是导致农大动物医院迟迟没申请工商经营执照的根源之所在,“它作为教学医院就相当于学校的一个教学场所,现在咱们的大学都是管理行政化,内部的部门协调之类的关系繁琐复杂,尤其是工商注册方面涉及到法人,而且,学校的教学医院怎么能申请工商营业执照呢?申请了还能叫教学医院吗?”李军和赵强均表示,目前我国凡是教学医院都存在类似问题。

Animal doctor zhao(alias)think,The school background is lead to nongda animal hospital can not apply for the root of business license and commerce of the place,"It as a teaching hospital is equivalent to the school a teaching place,Now let's university is the administrative management,Internal departments such as coordinating the relationship between the complex,Especially registration aspects involving legal person,and,The school teaching hospital how can apply for industrial and commercial business license?Applied for could raise teaching hospital?"LiJun and ZhaoJiangJun said,At present our country all teaching hospital have similar problems.

  开办 open

  多个部门层层审批仍难名实相符 Multiple layers of examination and approval department is still difficult to match actuality

  李军介绍,目前市面上能够见到的正规动物医院不外乎两类,一类是像中国农大动物医院这样的教学医院,一类是经过工商注册的“有资质”、以盈利为目的的商业动物医院。

LiJun introduced,At present on market to see regular animal hospital nothing more than two kinds,One kind is like Chinese nongda animal hospital such teaching hospital,A kind of commerce is a registered"Have aptitude"/To profit for the purpose of business animal hospital.

  1998年,北京出现了最早一批经工商登记注册的动物医院,此前,动物医院都是由所属辖区派出所审批,“一般动物医院里都有狗,而派出所有养犬办,所以那时候由派出所负责审批。”这之后,开办一家动物医院首先要通过的是前置审批,由申请开办的动物医院所在辖区的行业主管部门比如兽医站、卫生监督所执行,“主要针对新成立医院软、硬件方面,像一所动物医院需要有三名注册医师、一定要有一个免疫注射室、有最基本的设备等等,这些条件都满足了,会下发一个诊疗许可证,然后才能带着这个证去工商拿营业执照。”

In 1998,,Beijing first appeared in a number of the industry and commerce registration registered animal hospital,after,Animal hospital is belonging to the police station for examination and approval,"General animal hospital all have the dog,And sent all raises the dog to do,So at that time by local police station is responsible for examination and approval."After this,Set up a animal hospital must first through the is lead for examination and approval,By the application of the animal hospital set up in the competent industrial department of jurisdiction of such as veterinary station/Health supervision to implement,"Aimed at the newly established hospital soft/hardware,Like an animal hospital need to have three registered doctors/There must be a immune injections/Have the most basic equipment and so on,These conditions are met,Will be issued a permit for diagnosis and treatment,And then you can take this card to take commerce business license."

  除了行业主管部门和工商部门,开办一家动物医院还要与税务、居委会、城管等打交道。说到这些,李军流露出无奈,“外人看起来好像我们做动物医院的挺赚钱,给小猫小狗看病,一盒药动不动就几十块,可其实要开张真不容易,所有的部门都要跑,所有的环节都耗时间,我们除了要达到开设动物医院的相关标准、有相应的条件,还得配合居委会、城管的工作,毕竟动物医院里来看病的是动物,小狗居多,特别怕扰民。”

In addition to the competent industrial department of industry and Commerce Department,Set up a animal hospital also and tax/Neighborhood committee/Urban management and deal with.Said to these,LiJun reveals helpless,"Outsiders look like we do animal hospital is to make money,Kitten doggie to see a doctor,A box of medicine is apt to dozens of block,In fact, want to open set is not easy,All the departments to run,All the links are time consuming,In addition to achieve open animal hospital's standards/Have the corresponding condition,Still have to cooperate with residents' committees/Urban management work,After all animal hospital to see a doctor is animal,The dog is in the majority,Special be afraid to be blamed."

  从业20多年,赵强在包括北京在内的多座城市、多家动物医院工作过。他发现,尽管目前要求所有新设立的商业动物医院都要进行工商登记注册以获得经营资质,但并非所有地区的工商部门系统中都有“动物医院”这个名称。多年前,他在外地办理一家动物医院注册手续时,发现当地工商部门系统里只有与动物相关的商贸公司一项,“所以只能在注册时叫某某商贸公司,实际上是家动物医院,名实不符也没办法。”

From more than 20 years,Zhao, including Beijing more than in the city/Several animal hospital work.He found,Despite the current requires all new establishment of the commercial animal hospital to the industry and commerce registration registration for business qualification,But not all areas of the ministry of commerce of the system have"Animal hospital"The name.Years ago,He in the field for an animal hospital registration procedure,Found that the ministry of commerce and local system only and animals related to a trading company,"So only when the registered called so-and-so trading company,In fact is home animal hospital,Actuality discrepancy didn't also way."

  犯难 puzzled

  “环保标准只能套用人用医院的” "Environmental standards can only form in the hospital"

  与此相比,从去年开始执行的环保认证才是最让业内人士头疼的。

Compared with the,Since last year the execution of environmental protection the authentication is the most let the personage inside course of study of a headache.

  根据相关规定,在实施环保认证前置审批之前已经设立的动物医院,只需向环保部门提交申请,补建相关的污水处理系统等设施即可。李军所在的动物医院便是其中一员。“我们托朋友帮忙跑,跟相关部门比较熟,也知道这套手续应该怎么办,今年2月交的材料,现在才办了一大半,新进的环保设备花了5万。”李军透露,他们“托朋友”的价格是几千元,如果是“市场价”,跑一套审批手续下来的价位在2万至5万元不等。而那些即将开业的新院就没这么走运了。“这套手续好几个月都办不下来,卡在那儿,没这个证就不能营业,但房租、人员工资都是要往外掏钱的,成本上确实吃不消。”而最让他不满的是“有要求没标准”,“只说要达标,但是没有跟动物医院相关的配套标准,只能套用人用医院的环保标准,但动物医院和人的医院不一样啊,规模、投资都不一样,人的医院一套设备恨不得上千万,我们动物医院怎么担负得起?动物医院里花50万做这个都已经是不少的数字了,照这个标准,我看北京能开业的动物医院不到10家。”尽管如此,很多动物医院依然在努力达标,赵强所在的医院“正在加紧沟通中”,“其实新开设的医院大家情况都差不多,都犯难。”

According to the relevant provisions,In the implementation of environmental protection attestation lead before examination and approval has been the establishment of the animal hospital,The environmental protection department is only required to submit the application,To fill establish related facilities such as sewage treatment system can be.LiJun the animal hospital is one.""Our friends to help run,With related departments is ripe,Also know this procedure should be how to do,February delivery of materials,Now just do most of the,The new environmental protection equipment spent 50000."LiJun revealed,they"Joe friends"Price is thousands of yuan,If it is"Market price",Run a set of examination and approval procedures down price in the 20000 to 50000 dollars.And those is getting ready for the opening of the new hospital is not so have all the luck."The procedure for several months do not come down,Card in there,Have no this card can't business,But the rent/Personnel salary are to go to outside of the pay,Cost really be unable to stand."And the most let him discontent is"Have no standard requirements","Only say to the,But no with animal hospital related supporting standard,Can only form in the environmental protection standard of hospital,But animal hospital and the hospital is not the same ah,scale/Investment is not the same,People's hospital, a set of equipment to millions,We animal hospital how to afford?Animal hospital spend 500000 do this have is a lot of Numbers,According to this standard,I think Beijing will open animal hospital less than 10."Even so,Many animal hospital is still trying to standard,Zhao in the hospital"Are stepping up their communication","In fact the new open hospital everyone the same situation,Puzzled all."

  今年初曾有媒体报道,“北京市农业局报告指出,北京的犬只数量逐年增多,登记犬数量已达95万只,尚有100万只左右没进行登记。”而目前北京有动物医院300多家,不少业内人士认为,动物医院行业还有较大的发展空间。但赵强对未来行业的发展有些悲观,“有钱也不见得能开得动,一是嫌贵没人来,二是交各种钱,这税那税的钱都交没了,以后可能会管得更严交钱更多。”李军则希望相关的标准能够更明确,“动物医院是动物医院,应该有自己的一套标准,尤其是在像环保认证这类与资质有关的方面,不能套用人医院的现有标准。”

Earlier this year there have been media reports,"Beijing bureau of agriculture report says,Beijing's dog quantity increased year by year,The registration number of dogs has reached 950000 only,There are only 1 million or so didn't register."And at present Beijing is home to more than 300 animal hospital,A lot of the personage inside course of study thinks,Animal hospital industry and larger development space.But for the future development of the industry zhao some pessimistic,"Money would not necessarily open dynamic,One is too expensive to no one,The second is into all kinds of money,This tax that tax money into didn't,Later may tube more strict pay more."LiJunZe hope relevant standard can more clearly,"Animal hospital is an animal hospital,Should have their own a set of standard,Especially in like certification of environmental protection this kind of and related aspects of qualification,Can't form people hospital existing standards."

  无奈 but

  “‘黑’诊所躲在小区内根本没人管” "‘black’Clinic hiding in a village inside nobody tube"

  就在李军和很多同行申请设立动物医院东奔西跑时,很多开设在小区里的所谓动物医院、动物诊所依然在正常经营。用李军的话说,“对这类诊所,客气点说叫‘超范围经营’,实打实地说,他们才是真正没资质的,因为他们根本没有诊疗许可证。但他们也进行一些简单的动物医疗活动,这样的店有可能在价格上‘很实惠’”。

In LiJun and a lot of peer to an application for the establishment of animal hospital when run around,A lot of open in the neighbourhood of so-called animal hospital/Animal clinic is still in normal operation.With LiJun words,"For this kind of clinic,Kind point said that‘Overspray business’,Said real,They are truly not qualified,Because they simply have no permit for diagnosis and treatment.But they also do some simple animal medical activities,This shop may in price‘A cost-effective way’".

  这类“动物医院”大多开设在小区内或紧靠小区,从店面设计上看,它们并非以给小动物看病为主要业务,而是主打宠物美容、寄养、宠物用品售卖。“这种店,他们觉得给小动物打个针什么的不会出事,小病敢试、大病不敢看,有的宠物主人图方便也不管有没有资质,所以他们才有市场,现在这类黑店根本没人管,基本处于民不举官不究的状态。”

This kind of"Animal hospital"Set in a most inside the village or close to the village,From the store on the design,They are not to give animals a doctor as the main business,But the main pet grooming/foster/Pet products sell."This shop,They feel to small animals a needle or something will not have an accident,Ailment to dare to try/Serious illness didn't look at the,Some pet owners chart convenient also or without qualification,So they didn't have the market,Now this kind of gangster inn nobody tube,Basic in people don't lift officer not investigate state."

  志愿者“娃娃”认为,那些价格明显偏低的动物医院,很可能在药品质量方面有问题,“不然同样的药,为什么其他医院是一个价,到这家就便宜那么多?药的质量或者渠道是要打问号的,所以要价高一些,保障也就多一些。”

volunteers"doll"think,Those prices obviously on the low side of the animal hospital,Probably in the drug quality problems,"Otherwise the same drug,Why the other hospitals is a price,To the cheaper so much?The quality of the medicine or channel is to the principal,So the price higher,Security is also something more."

  这些黑的动物医疗诊所普遍要价低,不规范经营,不仅仅是冲击了其他正规的动物医院,而且潜在的影响很大。业内人士认为,“叫价低”引发连锁反应:动物医院盈利少,员工收入低,毕业生为追求高薪而转行,已经入行的频频跳槽。据李军了解,近年来,相关专业毕业生中有90%都转了行,而他们不愿意入行的原因是收入低,“一个大学毕业生,毕业后在北京打拼了两三年,工资还是每个月四五千,有社保,没户口,他们怎么能有奔头?所以这行留不住人。”习楠

These black animal medical clinic common low price,Not standardized operation,Is not only impact on other normal animal hospital,And the potential influence.The personage inside course of study thinks,"Offer low"Cause a chain reaction:Animal hospital less profit,Staff income low,Graduates for the pursuit of high salary and turned,Has to move into the frequent job-hopping.According to LiJun understand,In recent years,Relevant professional graduates 90% have turned line,And they do not want to move into the reason is low income,"A college graduate,After graduation in Beijing played two or three years,Every month wages or four or,Have social security,No account,How can they have BenTou?So this line can not leave."XiNan


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