医保条例立法听证全过程“搬”上网，网友热议的焦点是——— Medical insurance regulations legislative hearing the whole process"move"Internet,The focus of the netizen hot debate is -- -

强制全民参保合适不合适？ Forced the ginseng doesn't fit right?

11月28日起一连五天听证  16名陈述人选自108位报名者  网友可跟帖互动 November 28 up for five days after the hearing  16 statements candidate from 108 applicants  Users can be gentie interaction

听证程序 Hearing procedure

　　此次听证会包括陈述人陈述观点、听证人提问、陈述人辩论、主办方小结四个环节，具体流程为：

The hearing people including statement stating opinions/Hearing people questions/Statement people debate/Organizers summary four link,The specific process for:

　　陈述阶段，时间共5天(11月28日至12月2日)。陈述人陈述自己的观点，并与网友进行互动。网友可对陈述人的观点表示赞成或反对，也可以发表意见。

Statement stage,Time a total of 5 days(On November 28, to dec. 2,).People statement stating one's opinion,And interact with friends.Users can be stated to person's point of view in the affirmative or against,Also can comment.

　　听证人提问，在陈述阶段的最后一天(12月2日)。听证人可向陈述人提问，陈述人应及时回答。

Hearing people questions,In the statement the last day of the stage(Dec. 2,).Hearing people can ask questions to the statement people,Statements shall timely answer.

　　辩论阶段，时间共2天(12月3日至12月4日)。陈述人围绕辩论问题阐述观点，进行辩论，网友也可发表意见和评论。

Debate stage,Time a total of 2 days(December 3, to December 4,).Statements surrounded debate opinion on problems,debate,Users can also give opinions and comments.

　　小结，辩论结束后(12月4日)，主办方对听证会情况作小结。

summary,At the end of the debate(On December 4,),On hearing the situation summary.

　　作为一次突破性的新尝试，《广州市社会医疗保险条例》网上立法听证会将在11月28日在大洋网举行。而16位听证陈述人的公开征集，就成了首次网上立法听证会筹备期间最为重要的环节。记者昨天从广州市人大常委会获悉，在11月7日至14日的公开报名期间，共有108人报名，分别来自教育、医疗、IT等不同行业。“具有本市户籍的城乡居民是否都应当强制参加社会医疗保险？如果部分人拒绝参加社会医疗保险应当如何处理”等议题，是目前网友热烈讨论的焦点。

As a breakthrough to try something new,[Guangzhou social medical insurance regulations]Online legislative hearing is scheduled to take place in November 28, in the ocean and held.And 16 hearing statements of public solicitation,Became the first online legislative hearing during the preparation for the most important link.Reporters yesterday from guangzhou city people's congress standing committee learned,On November 7 to 14 public registration period,A total of 108 people signed up,Were from education/medical/IT and so on the different industry."With the registered permanent residence of this municipality shall be between urban and rural residents are forced to participate in social medical insurance?If some people refused to take part in social medical insurance should be how to deal with"issues,Is the net friend a heated discussion focus.

强制“全民参保”到底应不应该？ forced"The ginseng"What should be?

　　在《广州市社会医疗保险条例》(草案)(下称《草案》)中规定：用人单位及其在职职工和退休人员应当参加本市职工社会医疗保险；在校学生应该参加本市城乡居民社会医疗保险；其他人员可根据经济承受能力参加本市职工社会医疗保险或者城乡居民社会医疗保险。

in[Guangzhou social medical insurance regulations](draft)(said[draft])Specified in the:Unit of choose and employ persons and on-the-job worker and retiree ought to attend this city worker social medical insurance;Students should take part in the urban and rural residents social medical insurance;Other personnel according to economic capacity to participate in this city worker social medical insurance or social medical insurance for urban and rural residents.

　　这种“全民参保”的规定是否合理？

this"The ginseng"The rules are reasonable?

　　目前网友表示支持或反对的意见旗鼓相当。网友陈先生认为“作为一项公共福利，其保障资金的缴交应当具有强制性”。也有人认为不应该强制具有本市户籍的城乡居民都参加社会医疗保险，社工钟女士就认为：“市民是有自由选择的权利”。

At present net friend expressed support for or against opinion toe.Net friend Mr. Chen think"As a public welfare,The security funds shall be mandatory to pay".Also some people think that should not be forced to have the registered permanent residence of this municipality's urban and rural residents to participate in social medical insurance,Social work clock lady will think:"People have the freedom to choose is right".

　　市人大常委会法工委相关负责人表示，《中华人民共和国社会保险法》第二十三条仅规定职工应当参加职工基本医疗保险。对于其他城乡居民是否应强制参加医疗保险，国家和省的有关文件则尚无明确规定。但自广州实施医疗保险制度以来，部分用人单位不依规参保、中途停保等时有发生，部分公民社会责任意识薄弱，不愿尽参保义务。“长此以往，难以发挥全民医保‘互助共济’的作用。”该负责人表示，参加社会医疗保险是社会互助的一种行为，是化解任何人都无法回避的医疗风险的一种手段。只有通过大家共同分担医疗风险，才能使人人都有赖以生存的保障，“希望在网上立法听证会时，通过陈述和辩论，让广大网民和市民能进一步认识好这个问题”。

The municipal people's congress standing committee FaGongWei officials say,[Social insurance law of the People's Republic of China]Article 23 the only stipulates the worker worker ought to attend insurance of primary medical treatment.For other urban and rural residents whether they should be forced to participate in medical insurance,The relevant document of the country and province, there is no specific provision.But since the implementation of medical insurance system in guangzhou since,Part of the unit of choose and employ persons does not comply to gauge ginseng protect/Midway stop protect happen from time to tome, etc,Part of the civil society responsibility consciousness weak,Don't let all ginseng protect obligation."In the long run,Difficult to play to universal coverage‘Help each other in all aid’role."This person in charge said,To participate in social medical insurance is a kind of social mutual aid behavior,No one can avoid dissolve is of a means of medical risk.It is only through all share the medical risk,To make everyone has survival guarantee,"Hope on the Internet when legislation hearings,Through the present and debate,Let the majority of Internet users and citizens can further understanding this problem".

延长最低缴费年限预计2万人受影响 Extend the lowest capture expends fixed number of year is expected to 20000 people are affected

　　职工缴纳社会医疗保险费的最低缴费年限应规定为多少年较为合理，也是此次听证会的核心议题。草案稿提出，将职工社会医疗保险最低缴费年限拟由10年上调至15年。

Medical treatment insurance premium of worker pay society the lowest capture expends fixed number of year shall be established which is young more reasonable,The hearing is the core issue.Draft draft proposed,Will the worker social medical insurance lowest capture expends fixed number of year quasi by 10 years rise to 15 years.

　　广州市人社局相关负责人表示，调整职工社会医疗保险最低缴费年限对广州市参保人员影响不大。对已参保人员按照“老人老办法”的原则，仍执行10年的最低缴费年限，而新就业人员只要按规定参保缴费，在达到法定退休年龄时其缴费年限通常都会达到男30年、女25年以上，大大超过15年的最低缴费年限。

Guangzhou city club bureau officials say,Adjust the worker social medical insurance lowest capture expends fixed number of year to guangzhou ginseng protect personnel to the impact is not big.To have ginseng protect personnel according to"The old man old way"principle,Still execute 10 years of lowest capture expends fixed number of year,The new employment personnel as long as according to stipulations ginseng protect capture to expend,Before reaching legal and emeritus age the capture expends fixed number of year usually achieve male 30 years/Female 25 years,Greatly more than 15 years of lowest capture expends fixed number of year.

　　在调整最低缴费年限后，相关部门估算，按照本市企业职工领取养老保险待遇的年平均增长率5%进行测算，在条例实施5年内，预计约有11.65万人达到法定退休年龄，其中，条例实施后新参保人员约占15%，受调整最低缴费年限影响的参保人员不足2万人。

In the adjustment of the minimum after capture expends fixed number of year,Related department estimate,According to this city company worker the endowment insurance pay an average annual rate of 5% of the method,In the implementation of the regulations in 5 years,Roughly 116500 people are expected to reaching legal and emeritus age,the,After the implementation of the regulations of the new ginseng protect personnel to about 15%,By adjusting the lowest capture expends fixed number of year influence ginseng protect personnel to less than 20000 people.

　　另据了解，目前国家规定的养老保险最低缴费年限为15年，我国各医疗保险统筹地区最低缴费年限一般为25年至30年。广州原规定的10年明显低于全国水平，也非常不利于参保人员在统筹地区之间进行医疗保险关系转移接续和年限累计或折算。

Additional as we have learned,At present the country provisions endowment insurance lowest capture expends fixed number of year for 15 years,Every Chinese medical insurance as a whole the area the lowest capture expends fixed number of year general for 25 years to 30 years.Guangzhou original provisions 10 years is obviously lower than the national average,Also very unfavorable to ginseng protect personnel to be in as a whole the area medical insurance relationship between transferring and accumulative total of fixed number of year or reduced.

网上听证5天陈述期内 陈述人可随时随地陈述 Online hearing 5 days statement period statement people may at any time anywhere statement

　　从2002年广州市人大常委会出台了《广州市人民代表大会常务委员会立法听证办法》后，市人大常委会就《广州市城市房屋拆迁管理办法(草案)》、《广州市城市市容和环境卫生管理规定》、《广州市牲畜屠宰和肉品流通管理条例(草案)》、《广州市社会急救医疗管理条例(草案)》和《广州市募捐条例(草案)》等法规案分别进行过5次听证会。但将听证的全过程都“搬”上网的做法却是首次，在全国也开了先例。

From 2002 guangzhou city people's congress standing committee issued[Guangzhou city people's congress standing committee legislative hearing way]after,The municipal people's congress standing committee will[Guangzhou measures for the administration of urban house dismantlement(draft)]/[Guangzhou city appearance and environmental sanitation management regulations]/[Guangzhou livestock slaughtering and meat circulation management regulations(draft)]/[Guangzhou social emergency medical management regulations(draft)]and[Guangzhou collection regulations(draft)]And other laws and regulations are the five hearing.But will the hearing the whole process"move"The practice of the Internet is the first,In the national also opened the precedent.

　　对这种新尝试，市人大常委会法工委负责人表示，传统听证会通常是在固定的场所举行，只能邀请一定数量的旁听人参会，听证时间往往只有半天，发言的人数、机会、时间都受到非常大的限制。但是网上听证，打破了这些时间、空间上的限制，陈述人可以在陈述的5天时间里，随时上网陈述意见，坐在家里、办公室里想到了新的观点，都可以打开电脑即时陈述；多次陈述、随时陈述都成为可能，让陈述人可以充分发表观点。

For this new attempt,The municipal people's congress standing committee FaGongWei person in charge said,Traditional hearing is usually in a fixed place held,Only invited a certain number of the hearer,The hearing time often only half a day,The number of speech/opportunity/Time is a very big restriction.But online hearing,Break the time/Space limit,Statements in statement five days,The Internet statement at any time,Sit at home/The office thought of new ideas,Can open a computer real-time statement;Multiple statements/Statements are possible at any time,Let statement people can make point of view.

　　所有关心条例的网友也都可以在网上对陈述人的观点表示赞成和反对，也可以发表自己的意见参与听证会，发言时间和次数同样不受限制。而且网上立法听证还大大节省了人力、物力，节约了立法成本，也免去了各方奔波的辛苦。(黄丽娜)

All concerned regulations net friend also can be on the net to statement said person's point of view arguments for and against,Also can express their own opinions to participate in the hearing,To speak the same time and frequency is not restricted.And online legislative hearing also greatly saves the manpower/material,To save the cost of legislation,Also cutting out all the hustle and bustle of hard.(HuangLiNa)