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2012-07-27
东南网-法制今报7月25日(记者赵忻)为了更好地管理自己的家园,福州武夷绿洲小区的业主们从2011年11月便开始筹备成立业委会。几经周折,业主大会终于在2012年5月27日召开了,可是快两个月了,大会当天的投票箱还未能开箱唱票。业委会成立过程中遭遇了怎样的“拦路虎”?何时才能拿回小区自治权?业主们焦急地等待着。
Southeast nets-legal system for this July 25(Reporter ZhaoXin)In order to better manage their homes,Fuzhou wuyi oasis village of the owners from November 2011 will start to prepare for established industry authority。After many setbacks to,The owners' congress finally in on May 27, 2012 held,But almost two months,The day of the assembly at the ballot box is not ChangPiao unpacking。Industry authority was established in the process of how“tiger”?When can we get back to the village autonomy?The owners are waiting anxiously。
业主不满物业欲成立业委会 The owner was established industry authority to discontent property
武夷绿洲小区位于福州台江区,共有1200多户居民。在许多业主看来,这里不是绿洲而是“沙漠”:找物业办事难、治安差、卫生差、小区设施破坏严重等问题突出。
Wuyi oasis village located in fuzhou TaiJiang area,More than 1200 households。In many owner looks,But here is not the oasis“desert”:Find property work hard、Poor security、Poor health、Small facilities such as serious destruction of problems。
“每次去物业办点事,里面的工作人员都像爷,有一次还听到她们在背后骂业主,原因是顶楼业主家漏水,物业没管被投诉了。”一期的小乐(化名)称。另一位林姓业主告诉法制今报记者:“我的电动车6月份被偷,因我们有交看车费,便找物业理论,物业却和我们吵了一架,我们要求看监控,保安竟然说这里所有的监控都是摆设。”同时,数名业主向记者投诉,小区的治安很差,1200多户只有6名保安。
“Every time I go to WuYeBan something,The inside of the crew is like the ye,Once they heard in the back scold the owner,The reason is the top floor owner home is leaking,Property of no complaints。”A period of the XiaoLe(aliases)says。Another LinXing owner told legal this news reporter:“My electric car was stolen in June,For we have/see fare,He found property theory,Property is and we had a quarrel,We asked to see monitoring,Security said here all the monitoring is decoration。”At the same time,The number of complaints to the reporter,The security is very poor,More than 1200 households only six security。
7月初,法制今报记者来到武夷绿洲小区,刚进门就发现一期步行街的保安室内空无一人。走进小区,记者看到两个水池都干了,一个水池里积了淤泥;另一个水池则被荒草占据了“半壁江山”。
In early July,This news reporter legal system to wuyi oasis village,Just enter door found a period of pedestrian street security indoor empty。Walked into the village,The reporter sees two pools dry,A pool in the mire;Another pool is creeping up“Jiangshan half”。
法制今报记者依次走进一期的数个楼道,看到大部份楼道门的门锁都是坏的;多个楼道一楼的拐角处堆满了废品。业主称,这是保洁员堆的,等积到一定数量就拿去卖;小区的垃圾桶几乎都是满溢或盖子不翼而飞,一些垃圾横七竖八地躺在绿化带上、走道上和树墩边,在夏日的高温里发出让人难以忍受的气味;在一处突兀的水泥空地上,业主们称这里曾是一处观景亭,可是不知何时亭子设施被人拆走了。
This news reporter in legal system into a period of the several corridor,See most of the corridor door locks are bad;More on the first floor of the building was the corner of waste。Owner says,This is cleaner heap,To a certain amount, product and sell them;The trash can almost overflow or cover had disappeared,Some of the rubbish guangqishuba to lie in green belts、The aisles and stump edge,In the high temperature of summer and sends the unbearable smell;In a sudden open cement,The owners say there was an observation pavilion,But I do not know when the pavilion facilities be taken away。
业委会投票遭遇繁琐程序 Industry authority vote in red tape
面对这种情况,目前已有六成的业主拒交物业费,大家企盼在相关部门的协助下,尽快成立业委会,还他们一个真正的“绿洲”。
Face this kind of situation,At present had sixty percent of the owner JuJiao property fee,Everyone expects the related departments under the assistance,Established industry authority as soon as possible,Are they a true“oasis”。
按规定,成立业委会应在当地街道、社区和房管部门的指导和协助下进行。于是,2011年11月7日,按台江区房管局物业科的指示,小区发布了业委会筹备组成员报名公告。几经波折,于当年11月中旬定下了当选的11名筹备组成员。随后,开始了发放选票的程序。
According to the regulations,Established in the local industry authority should be street、Community and janitorial services of guidance and assistance。so,November 7, 2011,Press TaiJiang area room canal branch instructions property,Community released industry authority division appoint members sign up a public announcement。Hiccup several,In November that year set the elected members of the 11 / issue。then,The release of the program began to vote。
法制今报记者通过筹备组成员提供的选票存根看到,选票上盖有“福州台江区鳌峰街道武夷绿洲社区居委会”的公章,每张均有编号。据筹备组雷先生介绍,每一张选票发放时,都是由一名筹备组成员在一名社区工作人员的监督指导下发放的,共发放了1208张选票。
This news reporter through legal system, provide members of the vote stub prepare to see,Votes carries the“Fuzhou TaiJiang area aofeng street wuyi oasis community residents' committees”Official seal,Every ZhangJun have Numbers。According to Mr. Lei/issue is introduced,Every vote when issuing,By a name/issue in a community members of staff under the supervision of the issue,Out of 1208 votes。
雷先生称,因小区内近200户的店铺都是出租的,一些业主便写了委托书由承租人代为投票。
Mr. Lei says,For nearly 200 homes in the district of the shop is rent,Some owners so he wrote a power of attorney to vote on their behalf by the lessee。
没想到,5月27日投票当天,投票过程却一波三折。按街道、社区和房管部门的要求,当天的投票分成了四步:1、投票人到筹备组成员处登记门牌号;2、投票人到社区处登记身份证、产权证、结婚证、户口簿等信息;3、投票人拿着选票到社区盖章处盖章;4、投票。
Didn't expect,On May 27, the vote,But the voting process smooth。According to the streets、Community and janitorial services requirements,The day of the vote into four steps:1、Voters prepare to register members apartment;2、Voters to community register id card、Property right card、Marriage certificate、Booklet information such as;3、Voters take votes to community GaiZhangChu seal;4、vote。
由于天气炎热,又涉及1208户人员,按四个步骤下来,从早上到晚上8点半,只投了约800张票。房管部门却认为不能无限制地进行下去,停止了投票。
Due to the hot weather,And involved 1208 households personnel,According to the four steps down,From morning to evening at half past eight,Threw only about 800 tickets。Janitorial services but think can't unlimited to continue,Stopped voting。
此外,在现场,房管部门认为只写了委托书代投的票是废票,还必须有房产证和身份证复印件才算数。同时,由于几名业主等不及繁琐的投票程序,将投票箱抱出去投了几分钟后交还,房管部门认为这一插曲导致投票无效。对此,筹备组和房管部门意见不一,当天最终未能开箱唱票。
In addition,On the scene,&housing administration departments that has written only the power of attorney generation's vote is invalid ballots,Must also have house property card and id card copy to count。At the same time,As several owner can't wait tedious voting procedures,The ballot box will hold out for a few minutes later, restore,Janitorial services think this episode lead to vote invalid。this,Prepare and janitorial services have different opinions,The day ChangPiao eventually failed to open。
投票按《选举法》规定进行? Vote according to《Electoral law》provisions?
之后的一个多月里,筹备组及街道、社区和台江区房管局物业科曾多次就何时开箱唱票进行协商,但由于意见不一,最终无果。
After one month,/ issue, and the street、Community and TaiJiang area room canal branch has several times when it property unpacking ChangPiao negotiations,But because of different opinions,Finally ended。
对此,法制今报记者采访了兼任筹备组组长的台江区鳌峰街道工作人员翁先生。他称,复杂的投票步骤是为了保证选票的真实性。对于其他,自己只负责上传下达,让记者联系房管局了解情况。
this,This news reporter interviews with the legal system as leader of the TaiJiang area division appoint aofeng street staff Mr Wong。He says,Complex voting steps is to ensure that the authenticity of the votes。For other,His only issued the upload,Let reporters contact room canal to understand。
但业主们质疑:既然每张选票都已盖章并有编号,而且是在社区人员的监督下发放的,为何还要用这些步骤来保证其真实性。
But the owners questioned:Since each votes already sealed and Numbers,And in the community personnel is under the supervision of the issue,Why still want to use these steps to ensure that its authenticity。
就武夷绿洲的业委会成立风波,台江区房管局物业科张科长表示,目前仍不能开箱唱票是因为有三点原因:一是投票期间有业主将投票箱抱出去投了数分钟;二是有几张选票有涂改的情况;三是委托他人投票的光有委托书还不够,必须是房产证和身份证复印件。张科长称,如果不按这些要求,就违反了《选举法》。
The industry authority is wuyi oasis established storm,TaiJiang area room canal branch piece section chief said property,Still can't is because there are three reasons ChangPiao unpacking:One is the voting period owner will hold out the ballot box for several minutes;2 it is a few of the votes have altered;Three is to entrust others vote of light have a power of attorney to return not enough,Must be house property card and id card。Piece section chief says,If does not follow the requirements,Violated the《Electoral law》。
至于繁琐的投票步骤,张科长称是武夷绿洲社区居委会之前没有做过该小区的人口信息登记,便借投票之机来登记信息。
As for the tedious voting steps,A section chief says is wuyi oasis community residents' committees have done this before the population registration information,Through the machine and vote to registration information。
房管部门程序违法 Janitorial services program illegal
福建房产律师网首席律师蔡思斌从几个方面分析了武夷绿洲的业委会成立遇到的困难。首先,从法律上看,委托承租人投票仅写委托书便已足够。根据《福州市物业管理若干规定》第九条“物业使用人根据业主的书面委托,可以代理业主行使投票权和物业管理相应的权利和义务。”该规定只强调授权委托书,并没有要求一定要随带业主的房产证和身份证,房管部门无形中设置了法律并未规定的高门槛。
Fujian real estate lawyer nets chief attorney CaiSiBin from several aspects the analysis of the oasis wuyi established industry authority of difficulties。first,From the law see,Vote by the lessee only write a power of attorney had enough。According to《Fuzhou property management several provisions》Article 9“According to the owner of the property user written authorization,Agency owner can exercise their right to vote and property management of relevant rights and obligations。”This rule only emphasize accredit a power of attorney,And no requirements must be accompanied the owner of the house property card and id card,Janitorial services virtually set is not stipulated law of high threshold。
其次,自行增加投票程序是程序违法。目前并无法规明确规定业主投票的具体程序及步骤必须按这四步进行,该投票程序明显过于繁琐,社区将其工作内容也一并掺合进来,是在自行增加投票程序。
second,To increase the voting procedure is illegal program。And there is currently and regulations clearly define the owner of voting procedures and have to be according to the specific steps the four steps,The voting procedures are beat obvious,Communities will also were the working content mixing with come in,Is to increase in vote program。
再次,业主投票并不适用《选举法》。《选举法》的调整对象仅限于全国人大代表和地方各级人大代表的选举。投票时间的延长是由于社区自行增加程序所致,其责任并不在于业主及筹备组。对于这种特殊情况,作为房地产主管部门的台江区房产局物业科有义务让在场业主投票完毕,而不是自行擅自限制时间。
again,The owner is not applicable to vote《Electoral law》。《Electoral law》The adjustment of the object is limited to the National People's Congress and local people's congresses of the election。Vote the extension of time is due to increased community program be caused by,The responsibility is not the owner and/issue。For that particular case,As real estate of the competent department of TaiJiang area FangChanJu property families have a responsibility to present the owner the vote was completed,And not without time limits on its own。
最后,个别业主因等不及将投票箱抱出去投了数分钟,物业科即称有问题而拒绝开箱等。蔡律师认为,投票有固定和流动等不同方式,物业科只有明确证实投票过程中有违规、不合法之处,否则不能仅依据个别业主将投票箱抱出去而拒绝开箱,干扰业委会的成立。
finally,Individual owner will hold out the ballot box for can't wait for several minutes,Property families that have a problem and refused to say unpacking, etc。CAI lawyer thought,Voting have fixed and mobile and so on the different way,Property division only clearly confirmed votes in the process to have illegal、The place of illegal,Otherwise not only on the basis of individual owners will hold out and refused to unpack the ballot box,Interference with the establishment of the course of study。
福建省物业管理协会法律顾问刘国田表示,如此选举,房管部门程序违法。根据住建部《业主大会和业主委员会指导规则》规定,“物业所在地的区、县房地产行政主管部门和街道办事处、乡镇人民政府负责对设立业主大会和选举业主委员会给予指导和协助”。但是,武夷绿洲的情况,相关部门不仅没有对成立业委会就行协助,很明显,还对成立业委会的过程进行了很多人为的干扰。
Fujian property management association legal adviser LiuGuoTian said,So election,Janitorial services program illegal。According to live JianBu《The owners' assembly and the owner committee guiding rules》provisions,“Property the district、County real estate administration department and the sub-district offices、The township people's government is responsible for the establishment of the owners' assembly and the vote of the owners' committee shall provide guidance and assistance”。but,Wuyi oasis,Relevant departments for the establishment of not only the industry authority will do to help,obviously,Also for the establishment of the industry authority process the interference of many people。
刘国田称,目前福州近2000个小区中,仅有不到三成成立了业委会。小区业委会选举顺利的极少,这种现象应引起政府部门的重视,建立程序标准,还业主对物业管理的自治权。
LiuGuoTian says,Now nearly 2000 community in fuzhou,Less than thirty percent established industry authority。District council election smooth rarely industry,This kind of phenomenon should cause the attention of the government department,Establish procedure standard,Also the owner of the property management autonomy。
本报将继续关注武夷绿洲小区业委会的成立动态。
This will continue to focus on wuyi oasis village course of study on the establishment of the dynamic。
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