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多位专家质疑螃蟹西红柿同食产生砒霜说法--亲稳网络舆情监控室
2012-09-08

 

 螃蟹+西红柿=吃砒霜 Crab + tomatoes = eating arsenic?

  近日一位黑龙江女医生的观点在广播、电视、网络上流传 Recently a heilongjiang female doctor point of view on the radio/TV/Circulated on the Internet

  多位专家反驳:饭菜不是单纯的化学实验,两种元素加在一起就能生成第三种元素 Many experts argue:The food is not purely a chemistry experiment,Two kinds of elements together can generate the third element

  谷岳飞 蔡蕴琦

GuYueFei CaiYunQi

  新闻背景  中国之声、北京卫视报道——西红柿螃蟹同食产生剧毒 黑龙江女医生:是的

News background sound of China/Beijing TV reports -- tomatoes crab with food produce highly toxic heilongjiang female doctor:yes

  前天的中国之声《新闻晚高峰》报道了一则“螃蟹西红柿同食产生砒霜”的消息,引发热议。

The day before yesterday the sound of China[News late peak]Report on a"Crab tomatoes with food produce arsenic"news,Trigger hot debate.

  该报道称,金秋时节正是吃螃蟹的好时候,最近网上一道有关“西红柿炖螃蟹”的菜肴却引起大家的关注和争议,甚至有网友直言,西红柿和螃蟹一同食用会产生砒霜剧毒。

The report says,Golden autumn is a good time to eat crabs,Recently on the Internet there was a relevant"Tomato stew crab"Dishes but cause the attention and controversy,Even netizens to the truth,Tomatoes and crabs eat together can produce a white arsenic highly toxic.

  对此,黑龙江省医院皮肤科主任医师魏娟给出解释:螃蟹不仅不能跟西红柿一同食用,而且凡是含有维生素C的食材都不适合跟螃蟹一同食用,否则后果将十分严重。她说,螃蟹是甲壳类生物,它含有五价的砷,本身对人体没什么损伤,但是在维生素C的作用下,会变成三价的砷化物,就是老百姓所说的砒霜。

this,Heilongjiang province hospital dermatological department chief physician WeiJuan explanation is given:Crab is not only can't eat tomatoes together,And those who contain vitamin C ingredients were not suitable for with crabs eat together,Otherwise, the consequences will be very serious.She said,Crab is crustaceans,It contains pentavalent arsenic,No damage to the human body itself,But in under the action of vitamin C,Will become trivalent arsenic,Is spoken by arsenic trioxide.

  哈尔滨市蟹凰宫大闸蟹的江经理更进一步建议说:螃蟹尽量不要与西红柿、冷饮、茶水、花生一起食用,会产生一些过敏症状。据悉,北京卫视等也进行了相关播报。

Harbin crab crab Ming huang palace of jiang manager further suggested:Crab try not to and tomatoes/Cold drink/tea/Peanut served with,Will produce some allergy symptoms.It is reported,Beijing TV and so on also carried on the related report.

  三位微博名人反驳:不可能 Three small bo celebrity retort:Can't

  那么,螃蟹和西红柿一起吃,真会产生剧毒的砒霜要人命吗?昨天,众多网友表示“吓着了”。但是很快,网上反驳这种说法的各种观点纷纷出现——

so,Crabs and tomato eat together,True will produce virulent arsenic to life?yesterday,Numerous net friend said"scared".But soon,Online refute this kind of view all sorts of views have been shown --

  

范志红:我们花了几年时间辟谣,还是架不住谣言继续 FanZhiGong:We spent a few years time again,Or JiaBuZhu rumours continue to

  昨日,“螃蟹和西红柿一起吃致毒说”也引起了中国农业大学食品科学与营养工程学院两位食品安全专家的注意。

yesterday,"Crabs and tomato eat together to poison said"Also has caused the China agricultural university in food science and nutrition engineering college two food safety experts attention.

  该院一位知名副教授,在微博上较为活跃的名人范志红公开质疑,“如果螃蟹里的砷不是超标几百倍,就不可能中毒。”她表示这是一种流传已久的谣言,“我们花了几年时间来辟谣”,但还是架不住谣言继续。

The hospital a well-known associate professor,In micro blog more active celebrity FanZhiGong publicly questioned,"If the crab arsenic is not overweight uneven distribution,Can not be poisoning."She says this is an age-old rumors,"We spent a few years time to deny",But still JiaBuZhu rumours continue to.

  范志红表示:“传言虾蟹不能和含VC食品一起吃,归根到底是担心水产品的砷污染问题。需要注意的是,螃蟹容易引起过敏和食物不耐受。但这不意味着每个人吃螃蟹时必须禁食含VC的蔬菜和水果。”

FanZhiGong said:"Rumors shrimp and crab cannot contain VC food eat together,In the final analysis is worried about aquatic products of arsenic pollution problem.Need to pay attention to is,Crab easy to cause allergic and food intolerance.But that doesn't mean everyone to eat crabs, fast must contain VC vegetables and fruit."

  

朱毅:一次吃几公斤被污染螃蟹和5斤西红柿才可能中毒 ZhuYi:A time to eat a few kilograms contaminated crabs and 5 jins of tomato might poisoning

  该院副教授朱毅在个人认证微博上评论道:“在实验室里,维生素C有可能使五价砷转变为毒性很强的三价砷,但在饮食上不容易。”

The hospital ZhuYi associate professor in individual the authentication micro blog commented:"In the lab,Vitamin C may make five price arsenic into of the highly toxic trivalent arsenic,But on food is not easy."

  她表示:“首先,要吃几公斤被严重砷污染螃蟹;之后,维生素C要一次性服用500毫克以上,也就是一次性摄入5斤以上西红柿才有中毒的可能性,一般人能吃这么多吗?”

She says:"First of all,Want to eat a few kilograms were serious arsenic pollution crab;after,Vitamin C to one-time taking 500 mg,Also is one-time intake more than 5 jins of tomatoes have the possibility of poisoning,The average person can eat so much?"

  

“云无心”:人体不是化学反应器,“砷转化”只是臆想 "Cloud centerless":The human body is not chemical reactor,"Arsenic transformation"Only surmise

  范志红的微博发出后得到了很多人的支持,其中包括北京协和医院等,如科普作家松鼠云无心辟谣道:“即使是砷超标几百倍,五价砷转化成三价砷也只是一种臆想(人体不是一个合适的化学反应器)。”

FanZhiGong micro bo issued got a lot of support,Including Beijing union medical college hospital, etc,Such as science writer squirrel cloud moved to a word:"Even exceed the uneven distribution of arsenic,Quinquevalence arsenic into trivalent arsenic is just a concoction(The human body is not a suitable chemical reactor)."

  还有人更直白地说:这不是“1+1=2”的化学实验,两种元素在一起就能生成第三种元素。

Others say more straightforward:This is not"1 + 1 = 2"Chemical experiment,Two kinds of elements together can generate the third element.

  扬子晚报记者 谷岳飞

Yangzi evening news reporter GuYueFei

  扬子晚报追根溯源

Yangtze evening paper traced back

  “虾蟹不能与VC同吃”传了十多年 "Shrimp and crab can't eat with VC"Pass for more than ten years

  昨天,扬子晚报记者发现,自2001年起,经常有一个类似的故事在网上被翻版流传:

yesterday,Yangzi evening news reporter discovery,Since 2001,Often have a similar story was circulated on the Internet version:

  某地,一名女孩突然七孔流血暴毙。经初步验尸,断定为因砒霜中毒而死亡。一名医学院的教授被邀赶来协助破案。他仔细地察看了死者胃中取出物后说:“砒霜是在死者腹内产生的。”死者生前每天会服食维C,晚餐又吃了大量的虾——问题就出在这里!

somewhere,A girl suddenly seven hole bleeding sudden death.After the preliminary autopsy,Because that for arsenic poisoning and death.A medical college professor was invited to help solve crimes.He carefully examined the the dead in the stomach after extract said:"Arsenic is in the dead from the internal."The deceased will take vitamin C food every day,Dinner and ate a lot of shrimp - that's the problem!

  南京两位专家说:不可能

Nanjing two experts said:Can't

  扬子晚报记者昨天也分别采访了南京的化学和食品方面的专家。他们也认为,螃蟹和西红柿吃了没多大事。

Yangzi evening news reporter interviewed yesterday nanjing chemical and food expert.They also say that,Crabs and tomato eat no more great things.

 

 理论上有可能 Theoretically possible

  但事实上不会吃这么多 But in fact don't eat so much

  南京农业大学食品科学学院食品安全与营养专家安辛欣表示,从来没有听说有人吃了西红柿和螃蟹后出现砒霜中毒现象。

Nanjing agricultural university food science institute of food safety and nutrition experts AnXinXin said,Never heard of anyone eat tomatoes and crabs appears after the arsenic poisoning.

  “从原理上讲,砷是一种非金属元素,通常情况下不会以单质存在,主要以氧化物的形式存在。螃蟹里的是五价的砷,是一种化合物,有可能被西红柿里的VC还原,变成三价的砷——但这仅仅是理论。”安老师表示,事实上螃蟹和西红柿煮熟后会生成砒霜的可能性微乎其微,因为需要很大量的砷和VC才可能生成砒霜。

"Speaking from the principle,Arsenic is a kind of nonmetal elements,Usually not new existence,Mainly exists in the form of oxide.The crab is pentavalent arsenic,Is a kind of compound,Tomatoes may be the VC reduction,Become trivalent arsenic - but this is only theory."The teacher said,,In fact the crabs and tomatoes after cooked generates low possibility of arsenic,Because of the need to very large amounts of arsenic and VC can only generate arsenic.

  但是,餐桌上的螃蟹大多经过检疫部门的检测,砷的含量很少;即便被VC还原,也不会对人体产生影响。“除了你吃了大量大量的螃蟹,又吞下许多许多西红柿,否则就没有问题。”安老师表示,“如果螃蟹受到污染的,砷含量很高,人吃了确实是有害的。”

but,The table on the crab mostly after quarantine department detection,Arsenic content rarely;Even if is VC reduction,Will not influence to the human body."In addition to you ate a lot of a lot of crab,And swallowed many, many tomatoes,Otherwise, there is no problem."The teacher said,,"If crab of polluted,High arsenic content,People eat it is harmful."

  砷经过高温蒸煮后 Arsenic after high temperature after cooking

  直接升华了,没啥事 Directly the sublimation,Do not have what thing

  南京某高校一名化学专家告诉记者,从化学原理上说砷的氧化物碰到VC后,会还原成三氧化二砷,但前提是有大量的砷。而且砷又是一种“不稳定”元素,不溶于水。砷经过高温的蒸煮或爆炒后,不会变成液体,而是直接升华,“西红柿和螃蟹放在一吃应该没有太大问题。”

Nanjing a university a chemical experts told reporters,From the chemical principle that arsenic oxide met after VC,Will revert into arsenic trioxide,But the prerequisite is that there are large amount of arsenic.And arsenic is a kind of"unstable"element,Insoluble in water.Arsenic after high temperature cooking or sauteed after,Won't become liquid,But direct sublimation,"Tomatoes and crabs in a eat should do not have too big problem."

  扬子晚报记者 蔡蕴琦

Yangzi evening news reporter CaiYunQi

 

 高淳螃蟹养殖大户:我吃了20多年螃蟹也和西红柿一起吃过从没中毒 GaoChun crab breeding leader:I ate more than 20 years crab also and tomatoes together had never poisoning

  “我可能是中国吃螃蟹最多的人了,但从未听说螃蟹和西红柿一起吃会中毒。”昨日,高淳知名螃蟹养殖户、经营户高淳县双湖螃蟹有限公司董事长史团结对扬子晚报记者说。

"I might be Chinese eat crab most people,But never heard of crabs and tomato eat together will poisoning."yesterday,GaoChun famous crab breeding farmers/Manage door GaoChun county double lake crabs co., LTD., chairman of the board of directors history unity of yangzi evening news reporters.

  史团结说,自己吃螃蟹至少有20年了,因为自己就养殖螃蟹,因此“每年除了5、6两个月不吃外,一年到头都在吃螃蟹——在中国,估计没有人吃螃蟹有我多了”。但这么多年来,史团结从未因为一起吃螃蟹、西红柿而发生中毒症状;另外在他身边,也从未听说有类似的病例。

History unity said,You eat crabs at least 20 years,Because his breeding crabs,therefore"May each year in addition/6 two months not to eat outside,All the year round eating crabs - in China,Estimates that no one to eat crabs have I many".But over the years,History unity never because together to eat crabs/Tomatoes and produce poisoning symptoms;In his side,Never heard that have a similar cases.

  “巧了,我前天晚上就吃了螃蟹和西红柿”,史团结坚决否认会致毒。当天因为有几个朋友来,晚上夜宵时就煮了一锅螃蟹吃,桌上的菜还有西红柿蛋汤,“都是正常吃的,一天过去了,没见有哪个人中毒了。”

"qiao,I the day before yesterday evening ate crabs and tomatoes",History unity will resolutely denied to poison.The day because there are several friends to come,Night food taken late at night when she cooked a pot of crabs eat,The food on the table and tomato egg soup,"It is normal to eat,The day passed,Didn't see any people poisoning."

  作为吃螃蟹达人,史团结介绍,因为螃蟹是寒性的东西,吃螃蟹时要喝点烧酒、醋,吃点姜什么的。

As people eat crabs,History unity is introduced,Because the crab is cold sex thing,Eat crabs, drink soju/vinegar,Eat some ginger what.

  

江苏省餐饮行业协会说:传言早就听说过但做了这么多年菜没见到过 Jiangsu food industry association said:Rumors would have heard but do for so many years food hasn't seen

  餐饮协会的包老师介绍,从古至今,在中华传统饮食文化中,没有螃蟹和西红柿相克的禁忌。但他表示在中国各地的烹饪美食中,也没有“西红柿炖螃蟹”这道菜。不过在南京等地,吃螃蟹的时候桌上有西红柿汤、西红柿炒鸡蛋倒是有可能的。

Food association bag teacher introduction,In all ages,In the traditional diet culture,No crabs and tomato phase grams of taboo.But he said in all over China in cooking,Also have no"Tomato stew crab"This dish.But in nanjing, etc,Eat crabs on the table when a tomato soup/Scrambled egg with tomato is possible.

  包老师说螃蟹要么清蒸,要么把蟹黄、蟹粉剔出来做菜。在淮扬菜体系中,每到每年秋季螃蟹兴起的时节,一道名菜便是蟹粉狮子头。除此之外,以螃蟹为食材的菜还有蟹粉虾仁、蟹黄汤包等。而西红柿和螃蟹同桌并不稀奇,人们生活中,经常一边吃螃蟹,一边还点有西红柿炒蛋等家常菜。

Packet teacher said crab or steamed,Either the crab roe/Crab meat picking out to cook.In the system of huaiyang cuisine,Every year autumn crabs rise of season,A famous crab meat is 17.In addition,To crab for ingredients of food and crab meat shrimp/Crab roe soup bag and so on.And tomatoes and crabs sit at the same table is not rare,People's life,Often eating crabs,The part still point have tomato omelette and home cooking.

  至于网上流传的所谓螃蟹西红柿一起吃致毒的说法,包老师说早些年他便有耳闻,但多年的烹饪经验告诉他,这没有可能。

As for online spread of so-called crab tomato eat together to poison said,Packet teacher said earlier he will have ears,But years of cooking experience told him,It is impossible to.

  包老师表示,这种说法从实践的角度来说,明显不靠谱。厨师常用的食材中,富含维生素C的除了西红柿外,还有柠檬、黄瓜等,也从未听说螃蟹和它们不能同桌。现实中,这么多年来,也未听说有人因为一起吃了这些食材而中毒。扬子晚报记者 谷岳飞

Packet teacher said,This statement from the practical point of view,Without obvious spectral.The cook commonly used in the ingredients,Rich in vitamin C in addition to the tomatoes,And lemon/Cucumber, etc,Never heard of crabs and they can't sit at the same table.reality,So for many years,Also not heard someone because eat together the ingredients and poisoning.Yangzi evening news reporter GuYueFei

  不能和螃蟹一起吃的

Can't and crabs to eat together

 

 不是西红柿,而是柿子? Not tomatoes,But persimmon?

  采访中,高淳螃蟹养殖户史团结告诉扬子晚报记者:最好不要混在一起吃的是柿子,而不是西红柿。

interview,GaoChun crab breeding farmers history unity tell yangzi evening news reporter:Best don't mix together to eat is persimmon,Rather than tomatoes.

  据他介绍,柿子之所以不能和螃蟹混吃,是因为两种东西混在一起后会凝结成块,“人除了肚子疼外,可能会得结石”,因此经常吃螃蟹的人都知道,螃蟹和柿子是不能混在一起吃的。

According to he introduced,Persimmon is not and crabs mixed eat,Because two things mixed together after condenses into pieces,"Besides collywobbles outside,May have to stone",So often eat crab people all know,Crabs and persimmon cannot be mixed together to eat.

  对于“螃蟹最好不要和柿子一起吃”的说法,江苏省餐饮行业协会烹饪专家包老师表示认同。

for"Crab had better not and persimmon eat together"that,Jiangsu food industry association cooking expert package teachers agree.

  他说,从养生学的角度,人们会总结一些相克的食物,螃蟹和柿子属于其中之一。其中缘由在于两者都是凉性的,一起吃在胃中会产生聚合效应,对胃造成伤害。但扬子晚报记者了解到,即使这种说法,亦缺乏相关专家更深入的研究论证和实验检验。

He said,From the point of view of preserve one's health,People will summarize some phase grams of food,Crabs and persimmon belong to one of them.The reason lies in both are cool sex,Eat together in the stomach produces polymerization effect,The stomach to cause harm.But the yangzi evening news reporter learned,Even if this statement,Also the lack of relevant experts more in-depth research and experimental test.

  对于螃蟹不能和柿子一起食用的说法,范志红介绍:“螃蟹和柿子的禁忌是古书上记载的。但效果因人而异。一些胃肠敏感的人吃螃蟹和柿子(包括梨、甘蔗、香蕉等很多水果),哪怕单吃其中一种,都可能引起胃肠不适。但很多消化功能好的人吃了证明没事。它不算普遍规律,但可以看成对胃肠功能不佳者的提示。”

For crabs cannot and persimmon eat together said,FanZhiGong introduced:"Crabs and persimmon taboos are ancient books written.But the effect is different from person to person.Some gastrointestinal sensitive people eat crabs and persimmon(Including pear/cane/Banana and a lot of fruit),Even if only eat one,Can cause gastrointestinal discomfort.But a lot of digestive function good people ate prove nothing.It is not universal law,But can be thought of as on gastrointestinal function not beautiful person tip."

  换言之,即使“螃蟹不能和柿子吃”这种说法,也是因人而异。

In other words,Even if"Crabs can't and persimmon eat"This statement,Also vary from person to person.


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