央视《面对面》2012年12月3日播出节目《李虎：解救“艾滋·病人”》，以下为节目实录： CCTV[Face to face]On December 3rd, 2012 broadcast program[LiHu:save"AIDS · patients"],The following is a program memoir:

　　【演播室串场】

[Studio ChuanChang]

　　欢迎收看《面对面》，我们今天关注的两位主人公有一个共同点就是他们都是助人者，他们助人的手段都有那么一点点另类，他们本身也急需得到别人的帮助。首先来认识李虎。李虎是一名艾滋病患者，就在几年以前他成立了一家艾滋病病人的关爱组织，他的日常工作之一，就是帮助他们能够在社会上得到平等和正常的医疗救护。在几天以前他帮助了一名艾滋病的小伙子隐瞒了自己的病情得到了治疗肺癌的手术，这件事情被公众知晓之后就引发了巨大的震动。

Welcome to[Face to face],Today, we focus on the two characters have a have in common is that they are all helpful person,They help others means to all have so little alternative,They itself also need to get help from others.First of all to know LiHu.LiHu is a AIDS patients,In a few years ago he established a AIDS patient care organization,One of his daily work,Is to help them to get in the social equality and normal medical aid.A few days ago he helped a AIDS young man conceals the own condition were treated lung cancer surgery,This matter was known to the public after it triggered a huge shock.

　　【解说1】

[Commentary 1]

　　【联播时政同期】

[Broadcast from the current politics]

　　世界艾滋病日前夕，中共中央政治局常委、国务院副总理、国务院防治艾滋病工作委员会主任李克强26号与防治艾滋病民间组织、国际组织代表座谈，一些代表特意对前几天艾滋病患者就医被拒报道后李副总理第一时间作出指示表示感谢，李克强回应说，以人民利益至上，以人民健康为重，这是政府应尽的责任。

World AIDS day eve,The standing committee of CCCPC political bureau/Vice premier of the state council/The state council working committee director of the prevention and control of AIDS and HIV/AIDS li keqiang 26 folk organization/International organizations on behalf of the discussion,Some representative specially for a few days ago AIDS patients go to a doctor after reports rejected deputy prime minister li made the first time thank instructions,Li keqiang responded that,As the people's interests first,As to the people's health,This is the government's responsibility.

　　在这场11月26日的座谈会上，发言表示感谢的与会者，就是“天津海河之星感染者关爱小组”的负责人李虎。

In the November 26 forum,Thank you to speak of the participants,is"Tianjin haihe river star infection care team"LiHu in charge of the.

　　李虎：总理在会见我们之后，马上进入了国艾委的一个会议，我听说会有几个省的省长以及各大部委的相关领导参加此次工作，艾滋病问题已经不再是治疗口的一个或者卫生部门的一个问题，应该是一个社会问题，例如艾滋病感染者和病人在就医、就业、就学以及生活等等方面都会面临着很多的困难，那么这些问题应该是多个部门共同来协调才能得以解决的，是一种社会问题。

LiHu:In a meeting with prime minister after us,Immediately to the land of YiWei a meeting,I heard that there will be some provincial governor and other ministries and commissions of the relevant leaders to participate in the work,AIDS problem is no longer a mouth treatment or health department's a question,Should be a social problem,For example, people infected with HIV and patients in medical treatment/employment/Study and life, and so on will be faced with many difficulties,So these problems should be multiple departments to coordinate can be solved,Is a social problem.

　　【解说2】李虎，最近为人所熟悉，缘起于他所发的一条微博。

[Commentary 2]LiHu,Recently a familiar with,Derived from his hair of a micro bo.

　　“好消息：天津感染者肺癌手术成功，现在重症监护室。估计3-4天即可探望！在肿瘤医院被拒后，被逼无奈将病历复印修改，在另一个医院逃开了术前血检，才得到了救治！”

"The good news:Tianjin infections lung cancer surgery success,Now severe medicine.Estimate 3-4 days can visit!The tumor hospital after being rejected,Be compelled helpless will change medical record copy,In another hospital escape the preoperative blood tests,To get the treatment!"

　　【字幕：11月13日，李虎微博】

[subtitles:November 13,LiHuWei bo]

　　【电脑前动态采访：李虎给记者看微博】

[The computer dynamic interview:LiHu give reporters see micro bo]

　　记者：你为什么想到用这种方式呢？

reporter:Why do you think this way?

　　李虎：因为我觉得媒体，尤其是新媒体，在当今这个时候被利用得比较多，所以我想会不会起到热议的这种效果。

LiHu:Because I think the media,Especially the new media,In the modern time is used more,So I think it will not have the effect of hot debate.

　　【解说3】

[Commentary 3]

　　正像李虎所希望的结果，他的这条消息一经发布，立即引发了舆论的关注。

As LiHu desired results,His this message is issued,Immediately triggered a public attention.

　　随后，人们得知了消息的主人公小峰的真实故事。他今年25岁，天津人，他是一个艾滋病病毒携带者，同时又身患肺癌。

then,That people learned the news hero xiao feng's true story.He is 25 years old,Tianjin people,He is a the AIDS virus carriers,At the same time, suffering from lung cancer.

　　【采访：艾滋病携带者小峰】

[interview:The AIDS virus small peak]

　　小峰：当时因为(有的医院)不给治，毕竟是癌症，肿瘤医院已经确诊了，是肺癌，再拖就晚期，就没法手术了。

Small peak:At that time because(Some hospitals)Don't give to,After all is cancer,Tumor hospitals have been identified,Is lung cancer,Then drag is late,Can't the surgery.

　　【解说4】

[Commentary 4]

　　对于不幸的小峰来说，更加不幸的是他到医院进行手术的要求遭到了拒绝。在天津市肿瘤医院出具的一份出院记录上，我们看到这样的描述：HIV阳性，患者不适合手术治疗，出院，于外院继续治疗。

Unfortunately for the small peak speaking,More unfortunately he had to go to the hospital for surgery request was turned down.In tianjin tumour hospital certificate issued by a discharge on record,We see this description:HIV positive,The patient is not suitable for surgery,discharge,In the outer court to continue treatment.

　　在遭到这样的拒绝后，小峰来到北京地坛医院求治。然而，作为一所艾滋病定点收治医院，地坛医院并没有胸外科，无法进行肺癌手术。11月初，走投无路的小峰找到了李虎寻求帮助。

After such refusal,Small peak came to Beijing ditan hospital QiuZhi.however,As a designated hospital HIV/AIDS patients,Ditan hospital and no thoracic surgery,Unable to lung cancer surgery.Early November,Back to the wall of small peak found LiHu for help.

　　【访谈】

[interview]

　　记者：他给你提出来的要求是什么？

reporter:He gave you out requirement is what?

　　李虎：他见到我的第一句话是，李虎，进来这个办公室之后，环顾四周之后，他问我你们这样的机构愿不愿意帮助我出来维权。

LiHu:He saw my first words is,LiHu,In the office later,After looking around,He asked me you such a body would like to help me out rights.

　　记者：那你怎么回答他给你提出的这个问题？

reporter:How do you answer him give you put forward this problem?

　　李虎：我告诉他，这件事我愿意做，而且我们身后也有很多这样的公益律师可以帮助你做，但是你首要的问题并不是要维权，最紧要的问题应该是如何保命。

LiHu:I told him,The thing I want to do,And we also have a lot of behind such public welfare lawyers can help you do,But your primary problems and not to rights,The most important question is how to life.

　　记者：那个时候小峰已经跑了两家医院。

reporter:When the small peak have already run two hospitals.

　　李虎：其实不是两家，已经很多家。在到天津肿瘤医院之前在天津其它至少五家医院他是先表明了自己HIV阳性这个身份，这些家医院都不接收他。

LiHu:Are not two,Has a lot of home.In the tianjin tumour hospital in tianjin before other at least five hospitals he is to show his HIV positive this identity,These hospitals are not receiving him.

　　【解说5】

[Commentary 5]

　　艾滋病患者就医难的问题早已存在，不仅是像肺癌这样的大病难治，即使一些小病一旦需要手术，也会遇到不少阻力。这个时候，小峰已经没有多余的时间可以等待，情急之下，李虎帮小峰想到了另外一条出路，那就是修改病历，隐瞒病情。

AIDS patients go to a doctor difficult question already exists,Not only is like lung cancer such a serious illness obstinacy,Even though some ailment once needs an operation,They also have a lot of resistance.This time,Small peak have no spare time can wait,unaided,LiHuBang small peak thought of another way out,That is modification medical records,Hide condition.

　　【访谈】

[interview]

　　记者：隐瞒病情这件事情是你出的主意还是小峰本人出的主意？

reporter:Hide condition it is you the idea of or small peak I the idea of?

　　李虎：是我们共同想出来的。

LiHu:It is our common think out.

　　记者：以前你有没有想过？

reporter:Have you ever thought?

　　李虎：想过，也做过。

LiHu:thought,Were also done.

　　记者：也做过？

reporter:Were also done?

　　李虎：对。因为我7月份的时候在天津一家医院做了阑尾炎手术，当时我正好在北京开会，10号的凌晨，阑尾炎犯了，然后我去宣武医院输液，告诉我确诊是阑尾炎，那么我就回到天津，我就想把这层门槛踢破，找到了一家医院，在就诊的过程当中我做了全程录音，他在问我病情的时候我就把这个病情隐瞒了，但是因为我在猜想阑尾炎手术一定是一个局部麻醉的手术，我想在医生给我切刀的这一刻，我告诉他我HIV阳性，我看他怎么办，如果他拒绝，我想以此找卫生局，其实我们一直在抓这样的案例，找这样的案例找不到，我想从我身上做起，那么特别不巧的是，那天医生做的是全麻，等我醒来的时候已经是深夜了，我也失去了一个去把这样事情揭露出来的一个机会。

LiHu:to.Because I was in July in tianjin a hospital to do the appendicitis operation,At that time, I was just a meeting in Beijing,10 at the,Appendicitis made,Then I went to xuanwu hospital infusion,Tell me is appendicitis diagnosis,Then I came to tianjin,I want to send this layer threshold kick out,Find a hospital,The interview process I did the recording,He was asking me when I took this illness conceal,But because I wonder appendicitis operation must be a local anesthesia surgery,I think in the doctor gave me the knife at this moment,I told him I HIV positive,I see him,If he refused to,I want to look for health bureau,In fact we are always catch such a case,Looking for this case can't find,I want to start from my body,So special unfortunately,That day the doctor do is general anesthesia,And I wake up is the late at night,I also lost a to deliver such things revealed a chance.

　　记者：也就是说你自己身上用过一次？

reporter:That is you yourself with a?

　　李虎：对。

LiHu:to.

　　记者：你觉得这招好用吗？

reporter:You feel this to recruit to use?

　　李虎：我觉得，眼前来讲没有比它更好的用的了吧。

LiHu:I think,A: no eyes than it better with it.

　　【解说6】

[Commentary 6]

　　之后，小峰在天津找到了另外一家可以做肺癌手术的医院，在入院上交病历时，他将肿瘤医院HIV呈阳性的检测结果覆盖后复印上交，躲过了血检。11月12日，小峰在这家医院顺利进行了手术，手术结束之后，小峰让父亲将自己携带艾滋病毒的真相告知了医院。

after,Small peak in tianjin found another can do lung cancer surgery hospital,On admission to hospital in disease duration,He will tumour hospital HIV positive test results after covering copy hand in,Escaped the blood tests.On November 12,,Small peak in the hospital carries on smoothly with surgery,After surgery,Small peak let father will carry their own HIV tell the truth about the hospital.

　　【访谈】

[interview]

　　李虎：我告诉他，术后可以第一时间去告诉医护人员让他们去做一些检查，比方说回顾一下这个手是不是有创伤，如果有的话及时跟疾控中心联系。

LiHu:I told him,Postoperative can be the first time to tell medical personnel to let them to do some tests,For example look back at this hand is there trauma,If any timely contact with the center for disease control.

　　记者：你指的术后第一时间是在什么时候？

reporter:You mean postoperative the first time is in what time?

　　李虎：下了手术台第一时间告诉。他在术前就告诉了父亲，一点左右进的手术室，六点多下了手术台，这个时候他父亲就告诉了医院。

LiHu:The table is the first to know.He in the preoperative will tell his father,Around a bit into the operating room,More than six o 'clock the operating table,This time his father will tell the hospital.

　　记者：告诉的谁？

reporter:Who told?

　　李虎：他通过亲属找到这家医院的一个领导，托人进去的，就是托的那个人吧，具体是谁我不认识。

LiHu:He found the hospital by relatives of a leader,Subject in,"Is the man once,Concrete is who I don't know.

　　记者：接下来的事情是什么样的？

reporter:The next thing is what kind of?

　　李虎：就是托的这个人把他父亲一顿臭骂，然后发很大很大的火，后来这个就是关系弄得特别特别紧张。

LiHu:"Is the man put his father a good scolding,Then send a big, big fire,Later, the relationship is got very very nervous.