全国首次立法网络听证昨日结束 The first in the country legislation network hearing end yesterday

广州社会医保条例引起强烈关注 Guangzhou social medical insurance regulation cause strong concern

医保缴费想要延长五年政策依据能否再多一点？　　 Medical insurance pay cost to extend five years according to the policy can some more?

　　广州市社会医保条例网络听证代表陈诉阶段于12月2日结束，这是全国首次立法网络听证。羊城晚报记者统计，超过3300名广州市民在网上对18名听证代表表示支持或“拍砖”，发表详细意见的有268人。5天陈诉期内，市民在讨论中表现出非同一般的水准和深度，让很多专业人士颇为吃惊。

Guangzhou social medical insurance regulation network hearing on behalf of the state phase in the end of dec. 2,,This is the first in the country legislation network hearing.The yangcheng evening news reporter statistics,More than 3300 people in guangzhou to online 18 hearing representative support or"Clap brick",Published detailed opinion with 268 people.During the period of five days are,Citizens in the discussion showed exceptional level and depth,Let many professionals rather surprised.

　　引发广泛关注的焦点问题是：广州职工医保缴费年限拟从目前的10年延长到15年，依据何在？广州市人社局回应称，这是因为广州目前的缴纳年限全国最短，同时大部分职工缴费期可以达到15年，所以延长缴费年限5年。

The focus of widespread problem is:Guangzhou worker medical insurance pay expenses fixed number of year quasi from the current 10 years extended to 15 years,According to what?Bureau of guangzhou city club response said,This is because guangzhou current pay fixed number of year the shortest,At the same time, most of the worker pay cost period can reach 15 years,So extended capture expends fixed number of year for five years.

　　这遭到众多市民“吐槽”：“但没有任何有效的数字、数据支撑延长缴费年限的决定”、“一部涉及千万人切身利益的法规，市民应该知道这种调整是否经过精确计算……”

It was many citizens"Vomit tank":"But there is no any effective digital/Data support the decision of the extended pay expenses fixed number of year"/"In ten million a vital interests of the laws and regulations,People should know whether this adjustment through accurate calculation..."

理性看待不同声音 A rational view different voice

　　“网上公开听证，是一件非常有意义的举动”，但“希望百尺竿头更进一步……说明广州职工医保延长缴费年限的各种原因”。

"Online public hearing,Is a very meaningful action",but"Hope still further progress in the...Guangzhou medical worker that prolong the various causes of pay expenses fixed number of year".

　　记者查阅了相关文件、询问了听证代表，发现延长职工医保缴费年限的设想，的确缺乏精算数据支撑。

Reporter refer to the relevant documents/Asked on behalf of the hearing,Found that extends worker medical insurance capture the idea of life,Indeed the lack of actuarial data support.

　　截至12月2日，在听证会的网页上，共有270名市民留下了自己详细的意见和诉求。不少围观市民对广州职工医保缴费年限拟延长5年发表了自己的看法———

By December 2,,In hearings on the web page,A total of 270 people left his detailed opinions and demands.Many people gathered in guangzhou worker medical insurance pay expenses fixed number of year intends to extend the 5 years made their feelings -- -

　　有市民提出，此次听证的医保条例中没有任何有效的数字、数据支撑“参保年限15年”的决定，市民无法知晓从10年变成15年是否经过精确的计算，希望相关部门补充完整的决策依据和计算方法。

Citizens have put forward,The medical insurance regulations of hearing no effective digital/Data support"Ginseng protect a duration of 15 years"decision,People can't know from 10 years into 15 years whether through accurate calculation,Hope that the relevant departments of the complete decision basis and calculation method.

　　参加此次听证的陈述人、广东创基律师事务所律师赵绍华表示：“根据广州市人社局提交的资料，广州市职工基本医疗保险启动以来，基金累计收入848亿元，支出519亿元，结余329亿元，扣除支付风险准备金102亿元及其他35亿元后，当期可用结余基金192亿元，并且每年均实现收支平衡，略有结余。”赵绍华认为，医保缴费应当量出为入与量入为出相结合，在基金结余较多的情况下，逐步提高医保待遇，或者降低缴费标准；在基金不足或者结余较少的情况下，可逐步提高缴费标准或者延长最低缴费年限。“最主要的是要考虑为什么调整、有没有必要调整以及调整后会带来什么影响，”赵绍华说，“针对广州目前现状，完全没有必要改变10年的最低缴费年限。”

To participate in the hearing statements people/Guangdong and base ZhaoShaoHua lawyer said:"According to the bureau of guangzhou city club presentation of the material,The basic medical insurance in guangzhou since the launch,Fund accumulative total income is 84.8 billion yuan,Spending 51.9 billion yuan,Balance is 32.9 billion yuan,Deducting payment risk reserve of $10.2 billion and $3.5 billion after the other,The current available balance fund 19.2 billion yuan,Each year and achieve balance,Somewhat balance."ZhaoShaoHua think,Medical insurance pay cost shall be measured for the combined with make ends meet,In the fund balance more cases,Gradually improve the medical insurance treatment,Or reduce the pay cost standard;In the fund shortage or balance under the circumstances of less,But gradually improve the pay cost standard or extension minimum pay expenses fixed number of year."The main is to consider why adjusted/It is necessary to adjust and adjusted will bring what effect,"ZhaoShaoHua said,"According to the present situation of guangzhou,No need to change ten years minimum pay expenses fixed number of year."

　　对于争论和不同意见，有市民在网上留言时表现出充分的理性：“网上公开听证，是一件非常有意义的举动，政府和市民都可以从中学习如何依法表达意见，推动政策制定的同时，也能够有效地促进决策科学化、精细化。非常希望能够百尺竿头更进一步，公开延长年限的具体统计依据和计算公式，说明广州职工医保延长年限的各种原因，以便制订出一部真正让大家信服、愿意遵守的法规。”

For arguments and different opinion,Have the public in online message show fully rational:"Online public hearing,Is a very meaningful action,The government and the citizens can learn how to express in accordance with the opinion,Promote policies at the same time,Can effectively promote the scientific decision/fine.Very much hope to further progress,Public extend the life of the specific statistical basis and calculation formula,For guangzhou worker health prolong life of all kinds of reasons,In order to work out a real let everyone believed/Willing to abide by the regulations."

为何不延长至25年？ Why not extend to 25 years?

　　如果不一次调整到位，“过几年又延长缴费至25年，变成‘新人新办法、老人老规定、中人中做法’，多出个‘中人’，广州医保岂不更尴尬？”

If different time adjustment in place,"In a few years and extend the pay cost to 25 years,into‘New way to new/The old man old regulations/Middleman in doing’,More than a‘middleman’,Guangzhou medical insurance not more embarrassed?"

　　除了对延长医保缴费年限至15年的质疑，也有市民提出：为何不一步到位地延长至25年？因为目前南京、哈尔滨、济南、武汉、北京、天津、长春、厦门、深圳、沈阳等城市都规定职工医保缴纳需要缴满25年，才能享受退休医保待遇。

In addition to extend the medical insurance pay expenses fixed number of year to 15 years of question,Have proposed citizens:Why not one pace reachs the designated position to extend to 25 years?Because the current nanjing/Harbin/jinan/wuhan/Beijing/tianjin/changchun/xiamen/shenzhen/Shenyang are prescribed worker pay medical insurance to pay is full of 25 years,To enjoy the retirement health care treatment.

　　“医保缴费年限应该确定在25年以上。广州市实施医保之初就规定，享受‘由政府专项资金资助缴纳过渡性基本医疗保险金的社会申办退休人员’的资格为：2002年12月前养老保险缴费超过25年的，全额资助；满20年未满25年的，政府资助50%，个人支付50%。全额享受医保不就是等于缴费25年嘛！”有市民在听证网页留言表示。

"Medical insurance pay expenses fixed number of year should be determined in 25 years.The beginning of the implementation of the guangzhou medical insurance regulation,enjoy‘Special funds by the government for the basic medical insurance pay transitional social bid for retirees’Qualifications for the:By December 2002 endowment insurance pay cost more than 25 years,Full funding;Full twenty years less than 25 years,Government funding 50%,The individual pays 50%.Fully enjoy medical insurance is not equal to capture: 25 years!"Have the public in hearing web page message said.

　　另一位了解广州医保政策的市民则表示“职工医保缴费15年，理论和实践都证明不可行”———“当年为什么要设定退休者享受全额资助需‘连续工龄25年’这条线？相信不是政府拍脑门想出来的吧。既然以往的数据支持老年医疗必须‘连续缴费’25年以上，而且不论是理论数据推算还是实际运作，都证明医保缴费15年难以保证退休后的医疗费用，那为什么医保政策还要订在缴费15年？”

Another know guangzhou citizens of medical insurance policy, said"The worker medical insurance capture to expend 15 years,Theory and practice have proven not feasible"-- -"Why should the set retirees enjoy full funding should be‘Continuous length of 25 years’The line?Believe that is not the government take forehead want to come out of it.Since the previous data support the medicare must‘Continuous capture’25 years,And whether the theoretical data to calculate or actual operation,All medical insurance pay cost that 15 years to guarantee the medical treatment fee after retirement,Why medical insurance policy in order to pay cost 15 years?"

　　支持医保最低缴费年限在20年以上的市民确实不少。这些市民认为，一个人从参加工作到正常退休时，绝大部分人的医保缴费年限可以超过20年，如果不一次到位进行调整，“过几年又延长缴费至25年，变成‘新人新办法、老人老规定、中人中做法’，多出个‘中人’，广州医保岂不是更尴尬？”

Support health care lowermost capture to life in the twenty years of citizens really many.These people think,A person from a job to normal when they retire,Most people's medical insurance pay expenses fixed number of year can be more than twenty years,If in different time to adjust,"In a few years and extend the pay cost to 25 years,into‘New way to new/The old man old regulations/Middleman in doing’,More than a‘middleman’,Guangzhou medical insurance not more embarrassed?"