导演都晓在接受记者采访时谈道，做《聪明小空空》是他儿时的一个梦，他特别喜欢《聪明的一休》，《小空空》这个剧是对“一休”的致敬，所以他坚持要把名字定位为“聪明的小空空”。“空”这个字是禅宗中经常提到的，用在一个智慧的小和尚身上是再恰当不过的。但见到导演，他首先向记者半开玩笑地抱怨的就是这个名字，就是因为这个名字，《小空空》开播前后“和苍井空‘战斗’了几天”。

The director is xiao when accepting a reporter to interview said，do《Clever little empty》Is he a childhood dream，He especially likes《Clever ikkyu》，《Small empty》The play is to“ikkyu”salute，So he insisted the name for the location“Clever little empty”。“empty”This word is often mentioned in the zen，In a wise little monk body is again appropriate nevertheless the。But see the director，He first half jokingly complained to reporters this is name，It is for this name，《Small empty》Before and after the start“And sora aoi‘combat’For a few days”。

　　导演介绍说，《小空空》的目标观众是十二三岁的学生，“这个剧还没播的时候，我就在网上关注评价，好多网友说，‘一看到这个剧名就觉得恶心’。我就纳闷这个名字怎么就恶心了？后来才知道，网上有些小孩儿把苍井空叫做‘空空’。弄得我很无奈，一个干干净净的儿童剧，居然被搅和到这种话题里。”

Director said，《Small empty》The target audience is 1023 years old students，“The play haven't sowing time，I'll on-line attention evaluation，Many netizens said，‘A see this title will feel sick’。I wonder how the name on the nausea？Afterwards just know，Online some children put sora aoi called‘empty’。Making me so helpless，A clean ErTongJu，This topic has been to mix in。”

　　这是导演事前完全没有预料到的。这个娱乐时代，你可以把它当做一个忍俊不禁的笑话，但笑话背后，我们所要面对的却是一个严峻的现实。“我们给孩子们能看的东西太少了，所以孩子的大脑就被这些东西占领。”这恰恰说明的就是当下儿童片，尤其是好看的儿童片实在太少了，孩子只能寻找别的来填补。

This is the director prior completely unexpected。The entertainment era，You can take it as a joke in stitches，But behind the joke，We have to face is a severe reality。“We give children can see things too little，So the child's brain was occupied these things。”It just goes to ErTongPian is present，Especially good-looking ErTongPian really is too little，Children can only looking for another to fill。

　　都晓说，当初做这个儿童剧，并没有过多的想法。只是觉得当下社会环境很浮躁，想做一个能安静的戏，“因为儿童剧是冷门，不赚钱，做这个剧我也不求钱，就是想做一个能老少皆宜，一家人在一起乐一乐的戏。”

Are xiao said，First do the ErTongJu，And not too much idea。Just think the social environment is blundering，Want to do a quiet play，“Because ErTongJu is unpopular，Don't make money，Do this drama I also not money，Just to do a can all ages，The family together play a laugh。”

考量 八分乐两分教，较合适 Consider eight two music teaching，More appropriate

　　儿童题材的作品要寓教于乐，这是业界很多人支持的一个观点。但总存在一个教和乐的矛盾，说教过多，抑或说教过于生硬，反而会被孩子嫌弃。

Children, the theme of works to fun，This is the industry many people support a view。But there is always a teach and contradiction，Sermon too much，Or preach too stiff，It will be the child abandon。

　　其实我们观察一下就会发现，很多的儿童作品都是最终会告诉你一个道理，或是让你了解一个知识。就拿《一休》来说，故事里始终贯穿着知识和道理，甚至还有禅理。与其他作品不同的是，他们的这些道理和知识很好地与故事融合到了一起，让孩子自然而然地接受。《小空空》其实也存在着一定说教生硬的问题，而都晓导演对于说教和娱乐有着自己心里的一杆秤，他认为儿童剧中应该八分乐、两分教，最重要的还是要先吸引住孩子的注意力。

In fact we look will find，A lot of children's works are eventually will tell you a truth，Or let you know a knowledge。take《ikkyu》for，The story is always running through the knowledge and truth，There are even zen。And other works is different，Their truth and knowledge well and story fusion together，Let the child naturally accept。《Small empty》In fact, there also exist a certain sermon hard problems，And all xiao director for preaching and entertainment has his own heart a steelyard，He thinks that children should be eight in music、Two teaching，The most important still is first attracted the attention of the children。

　　有人说，想要知道现在的孩子喜欢什么，就要跟孩子玩，但是都晓并没有用这个做法，他认为每个人都是从孩子那个时代过来的。当下孩子喜欢玩什么，最流行什么都是外在形式，这些固然重要，但还是要理解孩子的心理，“我们都是爱遗忘的人，我们都是从小时候走过来的，去回忆我们当时是什么心理状态。现在流行的新玩意儿都是外在的形式，但是心理状态都一样。”

Some say，Want to know now children like，Will play with children，But not all xiao and the practice，He thinks everyone from the child that times over。The children like to play，What are the most popular external form，These are important，But to understand the child's psychological，“We are all love forgotten man，We are all from childhood came，We had to remember what is the mental state。Popular now new stuff is external form，But mental state are all the same。”

　　对于吸引孩子，都晓导演也有自己的方法，他觉得做出来的戏要想让孩子喜欢，就要懂他们，把他们当大人，“我们大人经常把他们当小孩儿看，他跟你讨论个时政的事儿，表达观点，你却把他当小孩儿，觉得他什么都不懂，‘去去，你一小屁孩儿懂什么’，然后给轰走了，他自然就不爱跟你说话了，‘你不懂我，我去找懂我的人’。”都晓认为，尤其是《小空空》的目标观众群，十二三岁的孩子就更要把他们当大人，可能他说话办事还很幼稚，但是他的大脑逻辑已经完全成熟，你说的所有话他已经都能听懂了。

To attract children，All xiao director also has its own methods，He felt out of play to let the child like，Will understand them，Treat them as adults，“We adults often put them when children see，He talk with you about a current politics，expressing，But you put him as children，Think he what all don't understand，‘checks，You a small fart child understand??????’，Then get rid of，He is not the nature with you talked，‘You don't know what I，I go to understand me’。”Are xiao think，especially《Small empty》Target audiences，1023 years old children are more to treat them as adults，He may talk to handle affairs is still very naive，But his brain logic is fully mature，You say all the words he has can understand。

分寸 孩子得知道社会丑恶面 Discretion children have to know social ugly face

　　都晓告诉记者，在《小空空》中，他希望传递给孩子一些大家公认的价值观，告诉孩子社会道德基本的底线，但这并不代表孩子就不该知道社会丑恶的一面，中国的孩子正是因为缺少面对丑恶的心理准备和应对手段，才容易上当，才会不懂责任。而这些他都希望通过《小空空》传递给孩子们。

All xiao told reporters，in《Small empty》in，He hopes to pass on to their children and some commonly accepted values，Tell children social morality basic bottom line，But this doesn't mean the child shouldn't know ugliness of society，Chinese children just because of the lack of face the ugly mental preparation and deal with means，Just fall，Will not understand responsibility。And these he hope that through《Small empty》Transfer to the children。

　　在《小空空》中有12个故事，导演介绍说，这12个故事是从二三十个民间故事中挑选出来的。每个故事都有不同的侧重，传递不同的道理、价值观。

in《Small empty》There are 12 in a story，Director said，This 12 stories from twenty or thirty folk story selected。Every story has different emphasis on，Transfer different reason、values。

　　导演认为，在传递正面价值观的同时，也要让孩子看到社会丑恶的一面，“我们现在的孩子都被家长保护起来，接触的都是美好的东西。但社会是复杂的，一个特别简单的孩子面对复杂的社会环境，很难不上当，所以现在有很多孩子被拐卖、被骗走。”而孩子长大之后，无法独立面对复杂的社会环境，“他没有心理准备，遇到一点儿困难就逃避，现在很多孩子工作之后不懂得负责任，遇到一点不公平就辞职走人。”

Director think，In the transport of positive values at the same time，Also want to let the child see social ugly side，“We are now the children are parents protected，Contact is all good things。But society is complex，A special simple child in the face of complex social environment，It is very hard not to be，So now have a lot of children are trafficked、cheated。”And children grow up，Can't separate the face of a complex social environment，“He has no mental preparation，Meet a little difficulty fled from，Now many children after work doesn't know responsible，Have a little unfair quit。”

　　导演还提到，一些适当的恐怖镜头也是给孩子看的，“只要你不是故意去吓唬他，孩子还是可以接受的。”所以在《小空空》这个儿童剧中，也有像血手印这样的镜头。

Director also said，Some appropriate terrorist lens is to see the child，“As long as you didn't mean to scare him，The child still acceptable。”So in《Small empty》The children play，Also have like blood fingerprint such a lens。

专家观点 Expert view

给孩子平等对话的机会 Give children the opportunity to equal dialogue

　　人们总在说，当下儿童题材作品少，尤其缺少精品，但我们也曾有过《小龙人》、《霹雳贝贝》、《西游记》乃至《家有儿女》这样的经典作品。很显然，我们并不是达不到高水平，但又为何出现了儿童作品荒的现状呢？当然，除了“钱”的问题，还与创作者的创作方式有很大关系。为此，记者采访了中国儿童艺术剧院制作演艺中心主任赵寒冰。

People always say，The children's novels of the less，Particularly in the absence of high-quality goods，But we also had《XiaoLongRen》、《Blue beibei》、《Journey to the west》and《Home has children》This classic works。obviously，We are not reach a high level，But why appeared children works present situation of waste？Of course，In addition to“money”problems，The creation of the creator and there is a great relationship between the way。therefore，The reporter interviewed Chinese children's art theatre production performing arts center director zhao freeze。

　　创作者开始改变视角

The creator began to change perspective

　　当下不论是动画片还是儿童剧，国内都有一些收视很高、小朋友很喜欢的剧目，比如《喜羊羊与灰太狼》，但是和欧美、日本的那种“孩子喜欢看，大人也看着不烦”的精品相比，总是欠缺那么一点。

Then whether cartoon or ErTongJu，China has some very high ratings、Children like play，For example《Pleasant goat and grey Wolf too》，But and Europe and the United States、The kind of Japan“Children like to watch，Adults also look at not vexed”Compared the high-quality goods，Always a little short。

　　对于这一点，赵寒冰认为，是因为国内外儿童剧创作者的创作视角不同，“国内在强调儿童剧功能性上比较弱，都是用大人的眼光和视角来看待孩子的事儿；但是在国外，儿童剧是产业链的一个部分，创作也会跟着市场走，市场需要什么我们就去做什么，而这个市场就是孩子，用孩子的视角来做，就贴近和走进孩子的心里。”

For this，Zhao ice think，Because ErTongJu creator at home and abroad to the creation of the different perspective，“In China ErTongJu emphasizes functional relatively weak，Are made with adult's vision and perspective to look at the child's business；But in foreign，ErTongJu is a part of the industry chain，Creation also will follow the market is going，The needs of the market what we to do，And this market is the child，With the perspective of children to do，Just close to and walked into the child's heart。”

　　赵主任介绍说，当下国内的儿童剧也在往这个方面去做，“创作者也开始用孩子的视角来看待问题，关注孩子的成长环境。”所以近几年国内的儿童剧市场也是越来越好，尤其是创作上有了极大改善。

Zhao said，The domestic ErTongJu also in to this aspect to do，“The creator began to use the perspective of children to look at problems，Pay attention to children's growth environment。”So in recent years the domestic ErTongJu market is also more and more good，Especially on the creation of a great improvement。

挖掘与孩子共鸣之处 Mining and the children resonance place

　　为孩子创作，就要了解他们喜欢什么，儿童心理专家对这方面应该是最了解的。

For the child to create，We must understand they like，Children's psychological experts in this respect should be know best。

　　在赵寒冰看来，儿童剧的创作中，儿童专家的参与是必须的，“在儿艺今年举办的中国儿童戏剧节当中，就邀请了儿童心理专家孙云晓给我们的主创，包括编剧、演员甚至舞美专门讲儿童心理，我们必须知道孩子心里想的是什么。”

In zhao freeze it seems，The creation of ErTongJu，Children's experts participation is a must，“In ErYi held this year the Chinese children of drama festival，Is invited children's psychological experts SunYunXiao to our creator，Including the writers、The actors speak even stage special children's psychological，We must know the child in mind is what。”

　　而除了从专家那里了解孩子，赵主任还提到了创作者进校园、进幼儿园体验生活，因为和孩子玩，也是了解孩子喜好非常重要的途径，“儿童剧为了更好地让孩子接受，创作者就要去挖掘能和孩子产生共鸣的东西。”而在这一点，目前儿童剧创作者是越来越重视了。

And besides from experts to learn about the child，Zhao also mentioned the creators in campus、Into the kindergarten experience life，Because and children playing，Also understand that the child be fond of very important way，“ErTongJu in order to let the children to accept，The creator will go to mining can and children resonating things。”In this，At present ErTongJu creator is pay more and more attention to the。

向国外借鉴表述技巧 Reference to foreign expression skill

　　儿童剧需要寓教于乐是不争的事实，赵寒冰也认为，一部儿童剧需要“告诉孩子真善美的光明面儿”，但是“寓教于乐”还是要回到那个问题，怎么去表达才能让孩子更喜欢。赵寒冰说，“儿童剧应该让孩子觉得就是发生在自己身边，而不是去杜撰的。”

ErTongJu need fun is indisputable fact，Zhao ice also think，A ErTongJu need“Tell the children of light MingMianEr beauty”，but“fun”Still want to return to the problem，How to express to let children prefer。Zhao ice said，“ErTongJu should let kids think it happened in your side，Instead of fictions。”

　　“一部好的儿童剧应该展示给孩子什么是真善美，但并不是让孩子必须去选择接受什么，孩子也是多元化的，每个孩子看到的东西是不一样的，这个孩子从中得到的是要有爱心，而那个孩子可能看到的是人际交往的方法。每个孩子都能找到自己认同的光明面，让孩子自己去找。而儿童剧对孩子的教育是潜移默化的，不是因为看一部戏就能怎样。填鸭式的东西，孩子必然是接受不了的。”

“A good ErTongJu should show children what is beauty，But not let children must choose to accept，The child is diversified，Every child see things are not the same，The child get is to have love，And the child may see is the interpersonal method。Every child can find your identity bright surface，Let children find。And ErTongJu to children's education is of exert a subtle influence on，Not because of watching a play can how。Cramming things，The child is necessarily accept too。”

　　在和外国儿童剧创作的交流中，赵寒冰发现，国外儿童剧在表述上的一些技巧，“他们并不是告诉你什么是该做的，什么是不该做的，而是尽可能告诉你，这个做完是什么样，那个做完是什么样。让你自己去选择，给孩子一个平等对话的机会。”记者 解辰巽

In the creation of ErTongJu and foreign exchange，Zhao ice found，Foreign ErTongJu expression in some skills，“They don't tell you what is this，What not to do，But as far as possible to tell you，The finish is what kind of，The finish is what kind of。Let yourself to choose，Give the child a chance to equal dialogue。”Reporter XieChen xun

　　经典儿童剧

Classical ErTongJu

　　《小龙人》：1992年，“头上有犄角，身后有尾巴”的小龙人一出现，就迅速吸引住大批观众。对于20世纪80年代以后出生的人来说，小龙人给他们留下了最深刻的童年印象。而小龙人历尽千辛万苦找妈妈的执著精神以及宝宝、贝贝、奇奇的团结，也感动了很多当时的成年人。

《XiaoLongRen》：In 1992,，“Head have horns，Tail behind”The XiaoLongRen appeared，Quickly attracted a large number of audience。For the 1980 s born after people，XiaoLongRen left them with the most profound impression of childhood。And XiaoLongRen experienced difficulty to find mom's persistent spirit and the baby、beibei、Qiqi unity，Also moved a lot of the adults。

　　《家有儿女》：该剧是一部少儿题材的情景喜剧，讲述了两个离异家庭结合后发生在父母和三个孩子之间的各种有趣故事。该剧的收视群原本预计是以少年儿童和家长为主，但较高的收视率表明收视群比预计的更广泛。

《Home has children》：The play is a children's theme scene comedy，Tells the story of two divorced family combination occurred in parents and three children between the various interesting story。The viewing group was originally scheduled in young children and parents give priority to，But higher ratings show that viewing group more widely than expected。

　　《霹雳贝贝》：中国第一部儿童科幻片，这部拥有新鲜视角的影片讲述了手上带电的小男孩贝贝摆脱孤独寻求友爱和理解的故事。编剧张之路曾回忆说，“去上海的时候，影院里的孩子全兴奋地跳起来，整部片子他们基本是站着看完的，而且毫不掩饰地叫起来。”

《Blue beibei》：China's first a children's science fiction film，This has fresh perspective film tells the story of hand charged little boy beibei get rid of loneliness for love and understanding of the story。The writers have recalled by road，“Go to Shanghai，In the cinema the children all excited to jump up，The whole film their basic stand is read，And cried openly。”

　　(来源:北京晨报)

(Sources: Beijing morning post)