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网传“女友母亲同落水”标准答案:不救妈会坐牢--亲民维稳网络舆情监测室
2012-12-09
微博疯转这道司考落水题并给出法理答案,记者调查发现其实是辅导机构编的练习题
Micro bo turn out the way water judicial question and answer is legal,Reporter survey found is actually counselling organization compiled exercises
女友和老妈一起落水,先救谁?近日,微博疯转的《2013年司法考试助考小知识之刑法》中出现了这道题,还真就引用刑法条文进行了解答。根据“标准”答案,应该先救老妈,因为儿子对老妈有法律上的救助义务,如果能救却不救导致老妈溺死,将构成不作为的故意杀人罪。“男同胞终于不用再两难了!”“别傻了,妹子会跟你讲法理吗?她们连道理都不讲!”网友纷纷转发并评论,一时间微博上热闹非凡。不过记者采访发现,这道题并不是真的司考题,只是辅导机构编的练习题,据法律专业人士称,出题和解析都不够规范,压根称不上“标准”答案……
Girlfriend and mother water together,Save first who?recently,Micro bo crazy turn[In 2013, judicial examination test to help the little knowledge of the criminal law]Appeared in this problem,Really quote the criminal law provisions of the answer.According to the"standard"The answer,Should save first mom,Because the son to mother has legal aid obligations,If you can save but not to save mom drowning,Will constitute a intentional homicide."Male compatriots finally no longer the dilemma!""Don't be silly,Sister going to tell you about legal?They even speak truth!"Users are forward and comment,Time micro blog very busy.But reporters found,This problem is not really judicial problem,Just counselling organization compiled exercises,According to the legal professionals said,Set the topic and analytic enough standard,Do not say to go up at"standard"The answer……
考 题 Exam question
网传司考辅导题解了千古难题 The judicial and coaching the answer key problem through the ages
不救女友没事 Don't save my girlfriend ok
不救妈会坐牢 Don't save mom will go to prison
“妈妈女友先救谁?这道司考题似乎能解决这个问题。”12月5日,致力于犯罪心理研究的 @谋杀现场法医 在微博上发表了这样一条微博,并附上题目及答案的截图。
"Mother who save first girlfriend?The word judicial problem seems to be able to solve this problem."On December 5,,Dedicated to the research of criminal psychology @ murder scene forensic in micro bo published such a micro bo,And attach questions and answers of the screen.
这道题是这样的:梅仁兴的老妈和其女友同时掉入河中,他救助了女友而没有救助其老妈,结果老妈溺亡,梅仁兴构成何罪?
The problem is this:MeiRenXing's mother and his girlfriend also fell into the river,He saved his girlfriend and no salvage its mother,Results mother drowned dead,What MeiRenXing constitute a crime?
标准答案说:构成不作为的故意杀人罪。因为梅仁兴对其母有法律上的救助义务,而对女友没有法律上的救助义务,其能救助母亲却没救,导致母亲溺亡,构成不作为的故意杀人罪。
Standard answer said:Constitute a intentional homicide.Because of its parent MeiRenXing have legal aid obligations,But to his girlfriend no legal aid obligations,It can rescue mother did not save,Lead to mother drowned dead,Constitute a intentional homicide.
题目已经很出人意表,答案更是让人意外。短短两天,这条微博的转发评论量就已近千。诸如“司法考试解了千古难题”、“不救女友没事,不救老妈会坐牢”的议论随处可见。
Topic is beyond all expectations,The answer is surprising.Just two days,This article micro bo forwarding review quantity has nearly.Such as"Judicial examination solution the problem through the ages"/"Don't save my girlfriend ok,Don't save mom will go to prison"The discussion can be seen everywhere.
真有这么一道司考题吗?昨天下午,记者找到了最先在微博上传该题的网友@园丁机器人。@园丁机器人 证实,这道落水难题并不是司考真题,而是培训机构出的辅导题,自己在其他网站看到觉得有趣便传到微博。更有细心网友从截图上“zhonghezhuanfu”的字样猜出,这可能是某司考培训机构出的题。记者发私信向相关机构求证但未获回应。
Really have so a judicial problem?Yesterday afternoon,The reporter found in micro bo upload this topic the net friend @ gardener robot.@ gardener robot confirmed,The word water problem and not judicial world,But the counseling training institution problem,In other web site to see and feel interesting to micro bo.More careful net friend from the screenshots"zhonghezhuanfu"Guess the words,This may be a judicial training institutions out of the question.Usually letters tell a reporter to relevant institutions verification but did not get a response.
“标准”答案遭多位律师拍砖 "standard"The answer was more lawyers clap brick
有能力救却不救母亲就犯罪? 错! Have the ability to save did not save mother is crime? wrong!
不救女友没事,不救妈妈却会坐牢,这真的是“标准”答案吗?记者请教了多位律师,都得到否定答案。“女友的生命同样宝贵,法律不可能规定该救谁不该救谁。”江苏熙典律师事务所主任律师罗利军连声表示答案荒谬。据他分析,女友和母亲同时落水,男子既可以选择救女友,也可以选择救母亲,先救谁一般视现场情况而定,比如离谁近先救谁,或者谁更危险先救谁。该男子完全可以把女友救上岸后再营救母亲,除非他救完女友还有体力,却故意不去救母亲,导致母亲溺亡,才构成不作为的故意杀人。
Don't save my girlfriend ok,Don't save mom but you'll end up in prison,This is really"standard"The answer, please?The reporter consulted a lawyer more than,Get negative answer."His girlfriend also precious life,May be specified in the law does not save who shouldn't save who."Jiangsu hee Canon law firm lawyers, director of the LuoLiJun repeatedly said the answer ridiculous.According to his analysis,Girlfriend and mother also fall,Man can choose to save his girlfriend,Can also choose to save the mother,Save first who generally depends on the site condition and decide,Such as who save first who from near,Or who save first who more dangerous.The man can take girl friend's save landed to rescue mother,Unless he save the girlfriend and physical strength,It deliberately not to save the mother,Lead to mother drowned dead,That constitutes a murderer.
截图上注明该题的考点是“不纯正不作为犯罪”。所谓“不纯正不作为犯罪”是指行为人负有实施某种积极行为的特定法律义务,并且能够实行而不实行的犯罪形式。广东仁人律师事务所律师蒋一凡认为,这道“落水题”出得很牵强,根本没法让考生准确理解考点,反而会产生误导。
Screenshots indicate this problem is test"Not pure not a crime".The so-called"Not pure not a crime"Refers to the person responsible for the implementation of some positive behavior of the specific legal obligation,And the ability to implement and not the forms of crime.Guangdong lawyer of humanity JiangYiFan think,The word"Water problem"A very far-fetched,Couldn't let students understand accurate test,It would be misleading.
蒋律师说,不作为犯罪必须以行为人负有特定义务为前提,包括法律明文规定的义务,职务要求的义务,法律行为引起的义务,先行行为引起的义务。父母对未成年子女、子女对年迈父母负有照顾救助义务,这属于法律明文规定的义务;消防员哪怕舍命也要救火,这属于职务要求的义务;把他人带到河边、悬崖边导致他人处于危险,必须加以救助,这属于先行行为带来的义务。回到落水问题,假如母亲不会游泳,儿子确实对她负有法律上的救助义务,假如母亲是被儿子带到河边,儿子还负有先行行为引起的义务。但负有义务最终没做到,并不代表构成犯罪,也有可能是难度太大或能力不济。不作为的故意杀人罪有两个要件,一是没有救助,二是有置母亲于死地的动机。就像罗利军律师所分析的,儿子根据现实情况先救女友再救母亲并无问题,除非救上女友后还有力气,却故意不救母亲,心里面想着让母亲溺亡,才构成故意杀人罪。
Chiang lawyer said,Not as a crime must be responsible for the specific obligation to actor as the prerequisite,Including the law definitely prescribes the obligation,Position requirements of the obligation,Legal behavior caused by the obligation,Anticipatory behavior caused by the obligation.Parents for minor children/Responsible for the children to elderly parents to take care of the salvage obligations,This belongs to the obligation of ruled by law;The firemen even if his will fire,It belongs to the position requirements of the obligation;The others to the river/The edge of the cliff at risk to others,Must be salvage,It belongs to the first behavior bring obligations.Back to the water problem,If the mother can't swim,For her son really responsible for the legal aid obligations,If mother is son to the river,Son is responsible for the first behavior caused by the obligation.But ultimately didn't obligations,Doesn't mean constitute a crime,It is also possible that the difficulty is too large or losing ability.Not as the intentional homicide have two elements,One is not to salvage,The second is to kill the mother buy a motive.As the analysis of the LuoLiJun lawyer,Son according to the reality to save his girlfriend to save the mother and have no problem,Unless the girlfriend and save the energy,It deliberately not to save the mother,But in my heart thinking about let mother drowned dead,Just form intentional homicide.
女友不是亲人,不救没关系? 也错! Girlfriend is not their relatives,Don't save it doesn't matter? Also wrong!
关于亲属间的救助义务,@谋杀现场法医找到一个真实案例。2004年,湖北随州一母亲亲眼看着两个月大的儿子掉进池塘,却既没有上前救助,也未呼救他人帮忙救助,而是远离现场,导致儿子溺水死亡。法院审理认为,该母亲负有救助未成年子女的义务却未救助,构成不作为的故意杀人罪,判处有期徒刑10年。
About the relatives between the obligation to salvage,@ murder scene forensic find a real case.In 2004,,Hubei province suizhou a mother see two months old son fell into the pond,But neither to salvage,Nor for help others help salvage,But away from the,Lead to son drowning death.Court think,The mother has the obligation of salvage minor children without assistance,Constitute a intentional homicide,Sentenced to 10 years in prison.
女友既不是亲人也不是老婆,按照网传“标准”答案,男人对女友没有法律上的救助义务,可以见死不救。对此两位律师也予以了反驳。罗利军律师说,题目没有交代女友为何到河边,又是如何落水的,假如是男友带其来河边,或者是因为男友的缘故落水,男友基于先行行为也具有救助义务。男友如果有能力救女友却故意不救,也有可能构成不作为故意杀人罪。总而言之,这道“落水题”题目出得太简单,而答案又给得太武断,实在称不上合格考题。
His girlfriend is neither relatives nor wife,According to the network"standard"The answer,Man to his girlfriend no legal aid obligations,Can help.This two lawyers also issued a rebuttal.LuoLiJun lawyer said,Topic no replacement girlfriend why to the river,How is the water,If be with the boyfriend to the river,Or because her boyfriend's sake overboard,Based on the first boyfriend behavior also has the obligation to salvage.If have the ability to save her boyfriend girlfriend it deliberately not save,May not make as intentional homicide.overall,The word"Water problem"The topic too simple,And the answer and gave too arbitrary,Really do not say to go up qualified examination questions.
参与司考出题的法学教授也炮轰 To participate in the national judicial exam on law professor and shell
司法考试出题非常严谨 Judicial examination on very strict
不会出现这种误人子弟的题目 Won't appear this kind of according to subject
针对“落水题”引起的风波,记者还采访了一位参与过司法考试出题的南京某高校法学院教授(应司考中心要求隐去姓名)。这位教授说,司法考试出题非常严谨,根本不可能出现这种漏洞百出的题目。司考的案例题设置的情境都很具体,考点亦很明确,不会出现含糊不清、事情要素不全的情况。如果非要拿“落水题”来考察“不纯正不作为犯罪”,至少应交代女友、母亲的落水位置,梅仁兴是怎么下水救的,救完女友后发生了什么,等等。给出的材料应能表明梅仁兴故意不救母亲。说到梅仁兴(谐音“没人性”)这个名字,也十分不专业,规范考题中一般以某男、某女、某甲、某乙来指称当事人,不会用如此非主流的名字,更何况谐音还暗指了答题方向。
According to the"Water problem"Caused by the storm,Reporter interviewed a participated in judicial examination of nanjing on a university professor of law(Judicial center should be asked not to name).The professor said,Judicial examination on very strict,May not appear this kind of loopholes in the subject.The case of judicial problem set situation are very specific,The examination site also is very clear,Not be vague/Not all of the elements of things.If you don't want to take"Water problem"To investigate"Not pure not a crime",Should at least replacement girlfriend/Mother's fall position,MeiRenXing is how to save water,Save the girlfriend after what happened,etc.The given materials should be able to show that MeiRenXing deliberately not to save the mother.Said to MeiRenXing(harmonics"No human")The name,Also is very not professional,Standard questions in general with a male/Some female/Some armour/A b refers to the parties,Don't use such alternative name,Besides harmonics also allude to the direction of the answer.
这位教授说,很多培训机构为了讲解某个法律规定,会编造一些极端的情境,教考生牵强附会地理解,这根本不是授学之道。在教材编写和模拟卷出题上,一些培训机构更是不负责任。“我有个研究生,去年就被一家培训机构请去编写司考复习教材,我听说后很生气,有很多问题他自己还没搞懂,就糊里糊涂去写教材,这不是害人吗?”这位一辈子都在研究法律的教授认为,法律是很严肃的事,不应牵强附会、误导、误传。
The professor said,Many training institutions in order to explain a law,Will make up some extreme situation,Teach students to understand far-fetched,This is not the way of learning feedback.In compiling teaching materials and simulated roll on the set,Some training institutions is irresponsible."I have a graduate student,Last year was a training institution, please write to judicial review materials,I heard that very angry,Have a lot of problems he still didn't understand,It was foolish to write teaching materials,This is not harm a person?"The lifetime are studying law professor think,Law is a very serious matter,Should not far-fetched/misleading/misrepresentation.
@网络上 @ the network
到底该先救谁 What save first who
网友答案五花八门 Net friend answers ranged
“先下水救母亲,然后我会精疲力竭,再跳回水里和你一起沉下去。”
"First launching save mother,Then I will out,To jump in the water with you sink."
这是最深情的回答,也是被网友公认为最好的回答
This is the most affectionate answer,Net friend is recognized as the best answer
“我一手一个同时救上来,你就放心好了,我保证能救你们上来!!”
"I hand a at the same time to save up,You may rest assured,I promise I will deliver you up!!"
这是最敷衍的回答
This is the most perfunctory answer
“我先跳下去,看看离谁最近就先救谁吧。”
"I jump down first,See to leave who recently, save first who it."
这是最实际的回答
This is the actual answer
“如果我和你爸爸同时落水了,你只能救一个,你会救谁?”
"If I and your dad at the same time the water,You can only save one,Who will you save?"
这是最狡猾的反问式回答
This is the most cunning rhetorical question type answer
“晶刚大婚解决了世界难题:郭晶晶永远不会问他,我和你妈同时掉进水里你先救谁。所以,得赶紧去学游泳。”
"Crystal just married to solve the problem of the world:Guo never asked him,I and your mother and fell into the water you save first who.so,Have to go to learn swimming."
这是最调侃的回答
This is the most fun answer
多说1句 Say one sentence
先救母亲还是女友 To save the mother or girlfriend
本不该成为“命题” This shouldn't be"proposition"
“你妈和我同时掉进水里,你会先救谁?”这个问题的确是很多人曾经听说或者是碰到过的问题,也是让很多男人觉得非常难以回答的问题,于是才有了长期以来的热炒以及各种五花八门的答案。为什么会有这个问题存在?究其当初,应当是有女友想知道自己的男友到底爱自己有多深,心中甚至期盼男友能够回答先救自己,似乎这样才能显得自己在爱的天平中的分量。于是,很多女生会一直“傻傻”地发问。
"Your mother and I also fell into the water,You will save first who?"This question is really a lot of people ever heard of or met problems,Also let many men feel very difficult question to answer,So just had long been a storm and all sorts of multifarious answer.Why is there this problem?Investigate its first,Should be have a girl friend want to know your boyfriend really love you have much deep,Heart even looking forward to her boyfriend can answer to save himself,Seems like this can appear in the balance of love of the component.so,A lot of girls would have been"silly"To ask.
显然,我们都很清楚,“到底该先救谁”本身就是一个“伪命题”,是一个根本没有准确答案的问题,换作谁都无法准确作答,因为角度不同立场就会不同。也许很多人的第一选择会是“救母亲!”这是一种非常直接的回答,母亲给了我们生命,先救母亲天经地义。但换个角度来说,现在的女友也会是未来的母亲,难道就不该救?而当女友变成母亲的那一天,那时又该如何作答?就像上面网友说的“你的父亲和我一起落水,会先救谁”一样无法回答。
obviously,We have been very clear,"What save first who"Itself is a"False proposition",Is a no accurate answer question,For who can accurate answer,Because different Angle position will be different.Maybe a lot of people is the first choice"Save mother!"This is a very direct answer,Mother gave us life,To save the mother god's truth.But change a point of view,Now girlfriend is also the mother of the future,Don't shouldn't save?And when his girlfriend the day become a mother,At that time and how to answer?Just like above the net friend said"Your father and I fall together,Will save first who"Same cannot answer.
因为这个问题,曾经发生过极端的案例,有的女友竟然真的因为男友回答“先救母亲”,而心生埋怨甚至提出分手。其实,每个人的生命对于我们来说都是重要的,无论是母亲还是女友,抑或是其他不认识的人。从这个意义上说,“救人”本就没有先后之分。所以,像这样的话题作为彼此之间的玩笑是可以的,较真了可就是无趣又无聊了。 编 者
Because this problem,Happened extreme case,Some girlfriend actually really answer because her boyfriend"To save the mother",And mind blame even break up.In fact,Everyone's life for us is important,Either the mother or girlfriend,Or other people they don't know.In this sense,"save"This is no has the points.so,Such topics as each other's joke is ok,Truer be dull and boring. Knitting is
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