提分与能力，是兄弟？是博弈？ Mention points and ability，Are brothers？Game is？

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：今天嘉宾分两类，一类就是提高分数，更多是公立教育的补充，未来国家政策开放，也可能民办教育和公办教育同台竞争也是有可能的。我们看一下每个上帝需求不一样，有的家长把孩子送到课外辅导机构开发孩子的兴趣，更多的家长需求有可能提分，提分和能力兴趣比例大概什么样？提分和能力兴趣之间是否存在矛盾？是兄弟还是博弈？

Two types of guests today，Those who improve scores，More public education is the added，The future national policy to open，May also run by the public education and education on the competition also is possible。We see every god demand is different，Some parents send their extracurricular counselling institutions develop the child's interest，More parents demand possibly offer points，Mention points and ability interest ratio what about？Mention points and whether there are contradictions between interest ability？Are brothers or game？

须佶成【高思教育执行校长】： Must Ji into【High education executive President thought】：家长需求是提分，我多少不太认同，随着经济发展确实产生很大的教育需求差异化，也许邓小平允许一部分人先富起来就允许一部分人教育理念不一样，家长需求不仅仅对于提分，越是经济比较好的地区，家长需求不完全在提分上。另外有一个观点不要回避做提分，分也是一种能力体现，不能说涵盖所有方面，分不行就完全不行，但是高分高能更是我们追求的。

Parents demand is mention points，How much I don't agree，With the development of economy really have a great education needs differentiation，Maybe part of deng xiaoping's allowed people to get rich will allow people education concept of，Parents demand not only to mention points，The more economic good area，Parents demand not completely in 1 points。In addition there is a point don't avoid do mention points，Points is also a kind of ability show，Can't say that cover everything，Points not cannot，But higher scores high energy is our pursuit。

李谓【精华学校校长】： "Lee【Essence school principal】：我们学校定位是中高考辅导，我们有北京市最大的复读学校，全北京大概4000复读我们招1200，其中有文京班和文北班，说别的一点用没有，我们不提倡这个学生不会来。另外刚才张教授说，一幅画也要有标准答案，如果从总体来说确实不应该有标准答案，但是我想问如果美术学院招生专业课评价的时候需要不需要标准？肯定有标准，脱离现实就不要看了。

Our school orientation is ZhongGaoKao counselling，We have the largest answer read school of Beijing，The Beijing about 4000 answer read we called 1200，Among them are the Beijing north class and class，With no other a little said，We do not advocate the student will not come。Another just professor zhang said，A picture to also have standard answer，If the overall don't really there should be a standard answer，But I want to ask if the fine arts college admission professional class when need not need evaluation standard？Must have a standard，From don't see reality。

张伟【学大教育副总裁】： Zhang wei【Learn big education vice President】：我先阐述一下，作为教育，我们今天题目是"为中国而教"，首先谈一下教育无论为谁而教，立足生命课题是最根本的。作为学大教育以个性化这样核心理念奠定成就梦想的根基，以次出发，来从个性的成长，乃至于孩子的成长、幸福、快乐，从而我们谈到的是家庭，家庭的幸福和快乐是相继的。我们再看社会和谐和为国家而骄傲，作为个体人也好、社会人也好，我觉得今天题目可以更庞大一点，这两天我们都在看奥运会，在那样环境中、在不大面积中聚集是整个世界和国际，而每个个体、每个生命承载一个领域的生命，应该为整个世界、整个人类而骄傲。这是我想阐述的第一点。

I first to elaborate，As education，Our subject is today"For China and teach"，First talk about education whether for who the teaching，Based on the fundamental issue is of life。As a big education to learn personalized core idea dreams that laid the foundations thereof，On parts of the，From the growth of personality to，Even the growth of children、happiness、happy，Thus we talked about is the family，The happiness of the family and happiness is successively。We'll see the social harmony and pride for the country，It as an individual、Social person or，I feel today the topic can even bigger point，This two days we were watching the Olympic Games，In that environment、In the area of little gathered is the whole world and international，And each individual、Every life carrying a field of life，Should for the whole world、The whole human and pride。This is the first point I want to this。

　　第二点想说一下，教育手段和方法在实现目标的时候，分数和评判标准以及能力这样过程，它是过程中中必须的东西，在今天我们非要把分数和能力相对的时候，其实我们觉得谈论这样话题如果非要回答，从自身成长来说，我认为人的能力是多层面、立体，分数和数值是能力的体现，它不是可以评比、也不是平行的。

The second point would like to say that，Education means and methods in the realization of the goal，Scores and evaluation standards and ability such process，It is in the process of what must be，Today we have to put the scores and ability of the relative，In fact we think about this topic if don't want to answer，It from their own growth，I think that person's ability is more level、stereo，Scores and numerical is the embodiment of the ability，It is not can appraisal、Also is not parallel。

杨强【学而思教育战略投资总监】： YangJiang【Learning without thought education strategic investment director】：分数和能力我们认为是分不开的，从学而思做教育认为你没有兴趣，这个分也提不起来，你没有培养自己学习习惯和能力，没有自主学习的能力分也是暂时的，实际上刚才希望透过激发他的兴趣、培养他自己学习，最终让他自主把成绩提高的过程，这是教育给孩子带来核心东西。

Scores and ability we think that is part of it，Some measures and think do education think you not interested，The points are put up，You have no cultivating their own learning habit and ability，No independent learning ability points is temporary，In fact just hope through arouse his interest、Cultivating his own learning，Finally let him up the result the process of independent improve，This is the education to children bring core things。

张伟【学大教育副总裁】： Zhang wei【Learn big education vice President】：孩子自主成长获得学习是快乐的。

Children learning is independent growth of happiness。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：假如宣传中没有高分学生，你觉得会影响报名吗？

If no high marks in propaganda students，Do you think that will affect registration？

梁勇【新英才学校校长】： LiangYong【New talent school principal】：这个肯定会影响的，因为家长很现实，进去咨询就问高考成绩怎么样？不光中国家长，其实国外也在选择学生。作为教育者有一个观点不为考试而考试，老师应该有考试的目标，不应该考试目标直接转嫁，要间接的转嫁，我的老师一个月参加中考、一个月参加高考，老师可能做20道题再选一题给学生做，通过给老师增加压力提高孩子。

This will influence，Because parents is very realistic，In consulting asked the university entrance exam？Not only Chinese parents，Foreign students in choice actually。As educators have a view does not for a test and examination，The teacher should have an exam goals，Should not test goal direct passed on，To indirect passed on，My teacher a month for tests、A month to the university entrance exam，The teacher may do 20 problem to choose a topic to students do，Through to the teacher increase pressure and improve child。

　　第二关于高分还是低分，培养分数过程中某种程度就是培养能力，但是如果培养高分学生，如果品格、习惯不好，对社会是负面的价值。无论做什么事情都把品格考虑进去。

The second about high marks or low grade，In the process of training points to some degree is to develop capacity，But if students cultivate high marks，If character、Bad habits，The value of society is negative。No matter do what thing to consider character。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：课程中怎么体现？

Course reflects how？

梁勇【新英才学校校长】： LiangYong【New talent school principal】：任何课程都是有目标的，如果一个人没有目标跑了200米，当停下来的时候发现向相反的方向跑，这是很可怕的。我们教育机构不仅设计课程体系，我们应该把育人目标设计出来，把育人目标和课程体系联系起来。只有分数和能力只是身体和躯干。

Any courses are targeted，If a person has no goal run 200 meters，When stop to find the opposite direction to run，This is very terrible。Our education organization not only design course system，We should put the educational target design out，The educational target and course system together。Only scores and ability just the body and torso。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：我们如何提分同时把能力教给孩子？

How do we mention points and the ability to teach your child？

赵晓琳【安博京翰教育研究院高级总监】： ZhaoXiaoLin【Ember Beijing institute of advanced director John education】：我比较赞同精华的李校长的观点，做教育是良心教育，咱们做起来肯定有一定教育理想在里边，但是教育理想跟现在现实，培训机构基本公司化运营，如果提分机制公司活不下去，谈何理想。光谈理想对大家来说比较虚伪的事。提分和能力是配在一起，非升学年纪可能注重素养，马上到高考了提素养也是虚伪的，那时候就得需要一些考试技巧、规范答题、俗语答题，用户需要就是这个，要忽略这个还真不行。

I'm more agree with the essence of the principal li point of view，Do education is the conscience education，Let's do it must have certain education ideal inside，But education ideal with the present reality，Training institutions basic corporate operations，If ask points mechanism company not be living，Talk about any ideal。Light ideal for everyone is talking about hypocrisy。Mention points and ability is to match together，The entrance age may pay attention to quality，Right now the university entrance exam mention literacy is false，At that time, we need some examination skills、Standard answer、Answer:，Users need to is this，We ignore this really can't。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：来自立尚教育的冯总给我们谈谈。

The education is to self-reliance von always talk to us about。

冯颐【立尚教育总经理】： FengYi【Education is made general manager】：我非常赞同赵总的观点，我认为课外辅导机构拥有学生四分之一天，在能力不可能和学校相提并论，我不知道在北京情况怎么样，但是在南方你会发现，充斥市面都是高考保证班、中考保证班、小升初保证班，家长就很现实。广州家长非常现实，曾经我对比上海的，会宣传奢华的环境、舒适，但是在广州哪怕我们当年起步就在天台铁皮屋，我告诉他我们老师非常好，我们学费比非常高档的写字楼学校1.5倍，因为我们承诺如果达不到退钱给你。包括我们现在很现实，告诉你因为保证，入学必须通过我们的考试，没有能力提升不可能达到分数提升，所以这里边不可划分。

I quite agree with ZhaoZong point of view，I think extracurricular counseling agencies have student quarter day，In the ability can't and in school，I don't know how in Beijing，But you will find that in the south，The market is the university entrance exam is that class、Tests the guarantee class、Guarantee class after，Parents is very real。Guangzhou parents very realistic，Once I contrast of Shanghai，Will the publicity luxury environment、comfortable，But even if we start in guangzhou that year in tiantai iron house，I told him our teacher is very good，We very high-grade office buildings than tuition school 1.5 times，Because we promise if can not reach give you your money back。We are now very realistic including，Tell you because of guarantee，Entrance must be through our exam，No ability to ascend is impossible to score ascension，So there are not divided。

　　在不同的时间段做的事情不一样，如果迎考阶段的学生目标很明确，就是提高分数，但是提高分数我认为有些小机构做邪门歪道的事情，比如什么都不会做，你的规律就是选择B，这个是误导，跟提分是不相干的事情。广州家长很关心你的师资，师资意味着分数提升、能力提升是一致的。

In different time period do not，If the test phase of the students meet objective is clear，Is improving scores，But I think some small scores improve institutions do something awful things，Such as what all can't do，Your law is choice B，This is misleading，To mention points is irrelevant things。Guangzhou parents are very concerned about your teachers，Teachers' means scores increase、To enhance the ability is consistent。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：优盟杨总跟我们分享一下。

Optimal au total share with us a young。

杨宇光【优盟教育中心校长】： YangYuGuang【Optimal union education center President】：其实提分是能力非常小一部分，对于一个学生最需要的能力还是分析问题、解决问题的能力，这种能力可持续增长分数还是靠学习能力，我们重点做高中的教育，高中教育不太像小学和初中用填鸭也能提分，像数学没有分析能力、解决问题能力靠背不能解决，我们认为是局部和全部的问题，提分只是一个结果。

Actually carry points is ability is very small part，For a student need most ability or analysis、The ability to solve problems，This ability score or sustainable growth by learning ability，We focus on high school education do，High school education isn't like elementary school and junior high school with duck can also carry points，Like mathematics no analysis ability、Problem solving skills back cannot be solved，We think that is local and all of the problems，Mention points just a result。

许晓书【搜狐教育频道主编】： XuXiaoShu【Sohu education channel editor】：问一下优胜陈总。

Ask Chen always better。

陈昊【优胜教育集团董事长】： ChenHao【Better education group chairman】：高思老师说的挺对，民办教育中国教育的主力，当然民办教育引进先进的人才、管理架构，比如产品经理最基本的调研就是消费者需求，他们观念对以后重要的参考价值，就是分数重要、能力也重要，如果没有这个观点我相信出国留学不会有这么好的发展趋势。我们做产品设计的时候，提升还是企业产品包装的诉求点，各个产品都会有元素的体现，我觉得还是注重消费者基本诉求的指引方向。

The teacher said a pretty high thought of，Private education China education opportunity，Of course private education to introduce the advanced talents、Management structure，Such as product manager of the most basic research is consumer demand，They after the concept of important reference value，Is a mark important、Ability is also important，If not this view I believe that studying abroad would have so good development tendency。We do product design，Enhance or enterprise product packaging the appeals of the points，Each product will be the embodiment of the element，I feel or pay attention to the demands of consumers' basic guide line direction。