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熊丙奇:上海纽约大学对深化中国教育改革作用有限--亲稳网络舆情监测室
2012-10-18

  中广网北京10月16日消息 据经济之声《央广财经评论》报道,我国第一所具有独立法人资格的中美合作创办的大学——上海纽约大学昨天正式成立。教育部把这所大学定位为"探索建设高水平中外合作大学的有益尝试"。学校计划于明年秋季招收第一届本科生300名,其中中国大陆学生151名,国际学生149名。大陆学生申请学校必须参加高考,学费每年10万元人民币。上海纽约大学师生比标准设定为1∶8。

In the wide net Beijing on October 16, according to the sound of economic news[Wide central financial review]reports,Our country the first has an independent legal personality of the cooperation between China and the United States established Shanghai university, New York university yesterday formally established.The ministry of education to the university for positioning"To explore the construction of high level of chinese-foreign cooperation in university the beneficial attempt".School next year plans to recruit the first fall of 300 undergraduates,The Chinese mainland students 151,International students 149.Mainland students to apply for the school to attend the university entrance exam,Tuition 100000 RMB per year.Shanghai New York university ShiShengBi standard set to 1, 8.

  上海纽大常务副校长雷蒙说,"尽管现在还不能明确告诉你某个名字,但可以肯定,必定会有诺贝尔奖得主来上海纽约大学任教。"雷蒙说,每隔几天,他的电子邮箱里就会收到优秀师资有意应聘上海纽大的邮件,其中包括诺奖获得者在内的一些国际大牌教授已经和他进行了深入沟通和交流。

Shanghai new large executive vice President ramon said,"Though it is not clear to tell you of a name,But you can be sure,There are certainly Nobel Prize winner to Shanghai New York university."Raymond says,Every few days,His email will receive excellent teachers intends to apply for Shanghai new large mail,Including the Nobel winner, some international big shop sign the professor has carried on the thorough and his communication and exchange.

  今后,在上海纽约大学的校园里,中美两国的办学模式将被有机融合,中国学生可以按照来自美国的课程模块学习,而来自世界各地的学生也可以选择富有中国特色的教学内容。学生在大学4年里,最多有3个学期可以选择在遍布世界各大都市的"纽约大学全球教育体系"中学习,可供选择的包括纽约、阿布扎比等在内的15个教学中心。

In the future,In the Shanghai New York university campus,The two countries running mode will be organic fusion,Chinese students from the United States may, in accordance with the course of learning module,And students from around the world can also choose to full of the Chinese character teaching contents.Students in the university four years,Most have three term can choose all over the world in the metropolis"New York university global education system"learning,Alternative including New York/ABU dhabi, 15 teaching center.

  这种培养模式能否吸取中西方教育精华,实现优势互补?《央广财经评论》,请经济之声特约评论员、21世纪教育研究院副院长熊丙奇,一起来评论这个话题。

This kind of training mode can learn from Chinese and western education essence,Achieve complementary advantages?[Wide central financial review],Please economic sound guest commentators/The 21st century education institute, vice President of the XiongBingJi,Together to comment on this topic.

  中美两国多位教育家认为,上海纽约大学是中美教育领域开展合作的"试验田",为中国深化教育改革播下了希望的种子。您对此如何评价?

China and the United States many educators think,Shanghai New York university is the education co-operation"Experimental field",For China's deepening education reform sow the seeds of hope.How about your evaluation?

  熊丙奇:我觉得这个种子可能会起到试验中美教育合作的作用,但是对促进中国内地教育的改革要起到怎样的作用却有待观察,因为虽然这是中美首家的合作,但实际上中外合作办学的学校在我国内地已经有多所,对这几所中外合作办学的学校的情况进行分析,我们可以发现这些学校本身办学质量还是不错的,由于使用了原版教材,外地教师,而且学费也比较高,也比较重视教育质量,因此还是得到了学生的认可。但是在办好这所学校之外对于内地高等教育改革的作用却十分有限,因为从整体上来看中外合作办学的学校其实还是纳入我国整体的教育管理的,因此对内地高校的竞争促进作用不大,而且这些学校的办学模式相对于它在海外这种母体学校的办学模式来做已经不是一样的了,不是完全充分的自主办学。

XiongBingJi:I think this seed may play a test education between China and the United States the role of cooperation,But to promote the reform of education in mainland China to play the role of how but remains to be seen,Because although this is the first cooperation between China and the United States,But in fact the schools in chinese-foreign cooperation in running schools in mainland China has many,These a few to chinese-foreign cooperation in running schools school to carry on the analysis,We can find the school itself the educational quality is still good,Due to the use of the original version of textbooks,Foreign teachers,And the tuition is high,Also pay attention to the quality of education,So still have been approved by students.But in running well this school of higher education reform, in addition to the mainland's role is very limited,Because from the whole aspect chinese-foreign cooperation in running schools in the school or into the overall education management in our country,So in the mainland, the competition is to promote the role,And the school running mode relative to it in the overseas this parent school running mode to do is not the same,Not completely full run independently.

  看来您对这所大学的发展以及对国内高校体制改革还是持谨慎的乐观。如果您是一位应届毕业生或者应届高考生的话,您觉得这所大学哪些方面吸引了您,如果您要报考的话。

It seems you to this university and the development of domestic university system reform or cautious optimism.If you are a graduate or fresh high examinee words,You feel this university what attracted you,If you want to enter oneself for an examination words.

  熊丙奇:我觉得这所大学不会吸引我。首先来讲,我考量这个大学首先考量这个学费。10万元每年的学费我觉得太高了,是我们国内公办学校的学费标准是10倍以上,目前所有中外合作办学当中学费最高的,在这种学费标准之下我有两个选择,如果我自己能够付出这个学费的话,再加上生活费和住宿费,我的英语也过关我就直接到国外去留学了,到纽约大学读书不是挺好的嘛,或者到香港这些高校去读书也是挺好的。再有一个如果中国出不了这笔钱,我成绩比较好,我就考华东师范大学,我读完四年的书总共的学费还没有十万呢,而且拿到的学位认可程度还会超出这种新创的大学。它是处在比较尴尬的状态,生源只能吸引那些准备出国留学但是可能没有到海外一流大学录取的学生从中再筛选出来一部分学生,作为他的招生对象,吸收不了优秀的生源,可能是在出国留学中再去捞一笔学生过来,在划分出国留学的市场仅此而已。

XiongBingJi:I think the university won't attract me.For the first,I consider this university first consider the tuition.100000 yuan yearly tuition I think is too high,Is our domestic public school tuition standard is 10 times more,At present all chinese-foreign cooperation in running the school fees of the highest,In this tuition standard, I have two options,If I can pay the tuition fee,,Combined with living and accommodation,My English is also pass I went straight to go abroad for study abroad,To New York university is not pretty good,Or to Hong Kong, these colleges to read is also quite good.Have another if China out not the money,My English is better,I will take an examination of east China normal university,I finished reading the book four years a total tuition fee is not? $,And get approval degree of degree will be beyond such coined university.It is in the state of embarrassing,Only to attract students of those that were ready to go abroad to study abroad but may not have to overseas admitted into first-class university students from which no screening out part of the students,As his recruit students object,Absorb the excellent students,May be studying abroad in to make a fortune to students,Based on studying abroad market that's all.

  上海纽约大学校方透露,学校将综合考虑中学学业成绩、高考成绩、综合素质来决定录取哪些学生,进行"三位一体"的综合评价选拔,也会重视校长推荐信。学校将在求知欲、亲和力、学习能力、适应能力、交流能力、心理素质、团队精神等方面对学生进行考察。这样的选拔标准和我国现行的升学选拔标准相比,能不能说是一种突破?

Shanghai New York university officials said,The school will be comprehensive consideration of the middle school academic achievement/Of the university entrance exam/The comprehensive quality to deciding which students,for"trinity"The comprehensive evaluation selection,Will also pay attention to the principal of recommendation.The school will be in thirst for knowledge/affinity/Ability to learn/Adaptive capacity/Communication skills/Psychological quality/The team spirit of students to carry on the inspection.This selection standards and China's current entrance selection than standard,Can you say a breakthrough?

  熊丙奇:从目前这个学校所公布的三位一体的招生方案来看,没有任何的突破,一方面可以会像南科大也是三位一体放在我们的高考的提前的招生,还有像内地的80所高校招生,在高考之前进行测试,然后学校适当降格录取,因为如果要有突破很简单,一个学生可以获得多所大学录取通知书再做选择,如果说一个学生可以申请纽约大学同时可以申请内地的其他高校,然后我拿到录取通知书之后再来选择,这才是真正突破,如果最后我们的学生只能获得一张大学录取通知书,而且纽约上海大学也是作为所有学校中的一所来对待的话,其结果就是我们没有给予学生更多的选择权,也没有突破现有的自主招生的格局,最终对整个高考的自主招生的探索的价值还是有限的。

XiongBingJi:From the present school published by the trinity of recruit students plan to see,Without any breakthrough,On the one hand may be like the south university is the trinity in our college entrance examination's early admissions,And as the mainland's 80 universities recruit students,In the college entrance examination test before,Then the school appropriate degradation admission,Because if you want to have breakthrough is very simple,A student can get many university admission notice to make a choice,If a student can apply for New York university at the same time can apply for the mainland's other universities,Then I get admission notice then to choose,This is a real breakthrough,Finally, if our students can only get a university admission notice,New York and Shanghai university is also used as all schools in a to treat words,The result is that we have not give students more option,No breakthrough existing autonomous enrollment pattern,Finally to the college entrance examination's autonomous enrollment exploration value or limited.

  您觉得这样的模式会在将来我们国家推广吗?

Do you think of this kind of mode will promote our country in the future?

  熊丙奇:应该讲按照国家教改规划纲要和地方的教育改革规划纲要,会有越来越多的地方会采取引进海外著名大学来内地大学的方式,因为这是作为国家的一个发展高等教育的一个战略,但是我认为对于引进海外的高等大学到内地办学除了采取中外合作办学的模式之外,应该探索新的模式,就是直接允许海外的大学来内地办分校,完全采取他们的招生、培养、管理、学位授予模式在内地办学,如果局限于中外合作办学的模式,那么可能会增加内地一所高等教育学校或者这个学校质量也还不错,但是它的作用也就仅此而已,对于推动中国教育的改革作用是非常有限的。而目前我国高等教育的发展面临着最大的困惑不是缺高等教育资源,而是需要改革教育管理的制度,只有通过教育制度的改革,扩大学校的办学主权,让学校自主招生,自主设置课程,自主设置专业,然后探索创新的人才培养模式,才能整体提高我国内地的高等教育质量,这才是我们应该着重去推动的事情。

XiongBingJi:Should speak according to the national plan for reform and local education reform plan outline,There will be more and more places will take introduction of overseas famous university to the mainland university way,Because this is as a national development of higher education a strategic,But I think for the introduction of overseas higher university to the mainland in addition to taking the running chinese-foreign cooperation in running schools outside the mode,Should explore new mode,Is the direct allows overseas university to the mainland, do,Completely take their recruit students/training/management/Degree awarding running mode in the mainland,If confined to the mode of chinese-foreign cooperation in running schools,So may increase the mainland a higher education schools or the school quality is good,But its action is nothing more,For the promotion of China's education reform role is very limited.At present, the development of the higher education faces the biggest confusion is not lack of higher education resources,But need to reform education management system,Only through education system reform,Expand the school sovereignty,Let the school autonomy enrollment,Independent curriculum,Independent set professional,And then explore innovative talent training mode,To improve the overall quality of higher education in mainland China,This is we should emphatically to push things.



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