韩寒 Han han

　　原标题：韩寒：没有什么文艺复兴了

Original title:Han han:No Renaissance

　　核心提示：从《独唱团》到“文艺复兴基金会”，韩寒对文艺复兴越来越悲观知识分子公信力下降、教育壁垒坚不可破、文人相轻……但是，即便如此，“总还是要力所能及地去做一些事情”。

summary:from[Solo group]to"Renaissance foundation",Han han to the Renaissance more and more pessimistic intellectuals falling credibility/Education barriers had not broken/Scholars scorn each other.……but,Even so,"Total or depth to do things".

　　记者唐不遇香港报道

Reporter tang in Hong Kong reports

　　

“文艺”没问题，“复兴”有问题 "literary"no problem,"Renaissance"Have a problem

　　南都周刊：你怎么理解“文艺复兴”？

SMW weekly:How do you understand"Renaissance"?

　　韩寒：我最早办的杂志《独唱团》，取的名字就叫“文艺复兴”，但当时这名字没被批下来，说带“文艺”俩字的都不批新杂志了。我听信了，当时就取了第二备选名字《独唱团》，结果没过多久，好多带“文艺”俩字的杂志就出来了，如《文艺风赏》啊什么的。后来我才弄明白，“文艺复兴”这四个字里，“文艺”没问题，“复兴”有问题。

Han han:I do the first magazine[Solo group],Name called"Renaissance",But at that time the name is not approved,Said with"literary"Two words are not batch of new magazine.I listen to the,When he took the second alternative name[Solo group],Results before long,With a lot of"literary"Two word magazine came out,if[Literary wind reward]Ah of what.Then I didn't understand,"Renaissance"These four words in,"literary"no problem,"Renaissance"Have a problem.

　　“文艺复兴”这个词语更多的是指意大利，但我觉得对中国人来说，心中的那段文艺复兴的情节，可能特指的就是一九三零年代，那时仿佛有过一阵子文艺复兴的意味有一些启蒙运动，一些好的文学冒尖，此后是一个低谷。现在因为互联网，文艺发展又比以前稍微好一些了，但是离“复兴”、“茂盛”还差很远。

"Renaissance"The word more refers to Italy,But I think to the Chinese people,The heart that the plot of the Renaissance,May be designated is in the 1930 s,Then as if had a while Renaissance means there are some enlightenment,Some good literature MaoJian,Since then is a bust.Now because of the Internet,Literature and art development and a little better than before,But from"Renaissance"/"flourish"Return bad far.

　　南都周刊：在现有体制下，中国有可能实现文艺复兴吗？

SMW weekly:In the existing system,China could realize the Renaissance?

　　韩寒：体制是可以被架空的体制是可以被人心架空的。文艺能不能复兴，其实也是人心的问题。如果人心没有复兴的话，那再多的基金，再多的口号，都没有用。有的时候，很多事情我个人比较悲观过了就是过了，比如交笔友的那个年代，手抄本的那个年代，摇滚起来的那个年代，香港电影的黄金年代，它过了就不再来。

Han han:System can be overhead system can be the heart of built on stilts.Literature and art can revival,In fact, it is the heart of the problem.If the heart not Renaissance words,That no amount of funds,The slogan of the more,Are not.sometimes,A lot of things I personally pessimistic after is the,For example in the s pen Pal,Handwritten copy of the s,Rock and roll up the s,Hong Kong film of gold s,It had will no longer to.

　　南都周刊：你相信现在的人心吗？

SMW weekly:You believe that now the heart?

　　韩寒：（笑）现在的人心其实相信的是情绪。人们都是跟着情绪走的，无所谓谁对谁错，只在于看哪个顺眼，听哪个顺耳。

Han han:(smile)Now the heart actually believe is emotional.People are followed emotions go,Doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong,Only see which is pleasing to the eye,Listen to which pleasing to the ear.

　　南都周刊：既然大家跟着情绪走，在这种情况下能架空体制吗？

SMW weekly:Since everyone follow mood walk,In this case can overhead system?

　　韩寒：很难啊，很难。这个体制太庞大了，很多跳出来的都是傻逼。而事实上那么大的一个体制，也有很多聪明人、精英在为它服务。

Han han:Hard to,It is difficult to.This system are too big,A lot of jump out to is silly force.And in fact so big of a system,Also has a lot of the wise/Elite in the service it.

　　南都周刊：你有些悲观。

SMW weekly:You have some pessimistic.

　　韩寒：对，还是那句话，过去的就过去了。但是，总要力所能及地做一些事情。现在的文艺很难像以前那么兴旺，因为它的载体发生了变化。当时我办杂志，就希望有一个地方，能够让更多的年轻人在文艺上受到重视。大家都想要出名，但如果没有一个很合适的、好的载体让他们出名的话，他们就很容易去走哗众取宠的道路，人们也不会想看我们这样正儿八经的访谈。

Han han:to,Or that sentence,The past is past.but,Always do something every way you can.Now it is difficult to literature and art as before so prosperous,Because of its carrier has changed.At that time I have magazine,Hope to have a place,To let more young people in the literature on attention.Everyone wants to be famous,But if there is no a very appropriate/Good carrier made them famous words,It would be easy to go the way of grandstanding,People also don't want to see us this formal interviews.

　　

重复启蒙 Repeat enlightenment

　　南都周刊：微博时代是否会乐观些？

SMW weekly:Micro bo age will be optimistic?

　　韩寒：如果把文艺复兴理解成小的概念，从纯粹的文艺角度讲，那它无所谓难或者容易。如果理解得大一点，理解成“人的觉醒”的话，就会存在一个问题：重复启蒙。在互联网时代，你看着很多事情散布得很快，但其实挺难的，因为我发现受众其实是同一批。

Han han:If the Renaissance understanding into small concept,On a purely literary point of view,It doesn't matter difficult or easy.If understood to get bigger,interpreted"The awakening of the"words,There is a problem:Repeat enlightenment.In the Internet age,You look at a lot of things spread quickly,But actually quite difficult,Because I found that the audience is actually the same.

　　如果这批被启蒙的受众是两百万，那么启蒙就一直在这两百万人中进行，很难打破壁垒，走向那些喜欢曾轶可的人，喜欢李宇春的人，喜欢看美剧的人……文艺复兴或者说个人觉醒，只是成了一个美剧的剧种，就像你们这批人是喜欢看《绝望主妇》的，而我们这批人是喜欢看《文艺复兴》的，就会变成这样，而每个壁垒都很深。微博相对获得一定的言论自由，但在微博上，随着知识分子的话说得越来越多，加上自身的内斗，他们的公信力比政府的下降得更快。

If this of the enlightenment of the audience is two million,So enlightenment has been in the two million people in,Is very difficult to be broken barriers,To those who like CengYi behavior person,People like li yuchun,Like to see beautiful people play……Renaissance or personal awakening,Just became a beautiful play's operas,As you this batch of people is like watching[housewives]of,And we this batch of people is like watching[Renaissance]of,Will become so,And every barriers is very deep.Micro bo relative access to certain freedom of speech,But in micro bo on,Along with the intellectual words more and more,Add their own infighting,Their credibility than the government's fall faster.

　　南都周刊：知识分子的公信力为什么会下降？

SMW weekly:Intellectual credibility why down?

　　韩寒：我觉得很多原因要从知识分子身上去找：一没共识，二没合力。这就像我们去加油一样，大家要去往同样一个地方，都在同一辆大巴上，我说咱们先省点钱，加93吧；有人觉得我们要走快点，加97吧；还有更极端的，说这车得加98，跑得最快，直达目的地。结果想去同一个目的地的三伙人自己先吵起来了，把加油站炸了，然后旁边一帮人就笑这帮傻逼。现在很容易会面临这样的问题。

Han han:I think a lot of reasons to from intellectual body to find:A no consensus,No force.It's like us to come on the same,Everybody wants to go to the same place,Are all in the same on the bus,I said let's save money,Add 93 it;Some think we want to go hurry up,Add 97 it;There's more extreme,Said the car have to add a 98,fastest,Direct destination.Results want to go to the same destination three group to be noisy up,Fried the gas station,Then flank a gang laugh this help a silly force.It's so easy to will face such a problem.

　　看起来微博能改变很多东西，但事实上，这很艰难。以前在传统媒体时代，你发现很多报纸真的改变了一些东西，改变了一些制度、一些走向，甚至改变很多官员的命运。但是在微博时代，大家的注意力转移得太快了，有些特别重大的公共话题也只能延续一天甚至半天。在形成合力的过程中，随便哪个傻逼出来喊一嗓子，注意力就会被分散。

Look small bo to change a lot of things,But in fact,This is very difficult.In the traditional media age before,You find many newspapers really changed something,Changed some system/Some to,Even change the fate of many officials.But in micro bo era,Everyone's attention too fast,Some special major public topic also can continue a day or even half a day.In the process of forming force,Any silly force out to shout a voice,Attention will be scattered.

　　南都周刊：有什么途径可以打破你刚才所说的壁垒吗？

SMW weekly:Have what way can break you said just now barriers?

　　韩寒：其实挺难的，唯一的途径就是从最早的基础教育（入手）。教育是最坚固的一个壁垒。我们的孩子都在一个可悲的教育制度下。

Han han:Actually quite difficult,The only way is from the earliest foundation education(of).Education is the most strong a barrier.Our children are in a sad education system.

　　比如说一个班有五十多人，面对同一个问题，最后的结果可能是二十五个人无所谓，二十个人接受它的洗脑教育，最终只有四五个人有一些自我觉醒。有很多我们所了解的人，会觉得某某如何，觉得他做了多少坏事，有多么不喜欢，但是当你去参加同学会，一打听，发现周围只有你一个是这样认为的。所以我觉得很多时候要从最早的教育开始突破。

For example a class more than 50 people,Facing the same problem,The final result may be twenty-five men don't matter,Twenty people accept its brainwashing education,Finally only four or five individuals have some self-awareness.There are a lot of what we know,Will feel so-and-so,Think he did how many bad things,How don't like,But when you go to the homecoming,Ask a,Around that you are the only one think so.So I think a lot of time to from the earliest education began to break.

　　我想给自己的小孩编教材，自己出版。包括我朋友的一些出版计划，我都希望能出版一些新的课外教材，但在审批上根本就不可能。

I want to give their children woven materials,Published his.Including my friend's some publishing plan,I hope I can publish some new extracurricular teaching materials,But in and it is not possible.

　　其次，还得靠科技。我们所获得的不大的自由和尺度，实际上是科技给我们的便利，没有那些科技，我相信我们可能还是停留在那个年代，有时松松，有时紧紧这段时间你可能可以批评三峡了，那是因为主张建三峡的那一拨人失势了。那不是基于言论自由，而只是人家内斗过程当中放的一个口子让你说而已。这其实还是不容乐观的。

secondly,Still have to rely on science and technology.We have not freedom and scale,In fact is science and technology for our convenience,Don't have some of the science and technology,I believe we may still stay in the s,Sometimes ease,Sometimes closely this time you may be able to criticize the three gorges,It is because that the built three gorges appealing to the people recede into the background.It is not based on freedom of speech,But the somebody else infighting process put a cut let you said it.It is not optimistic.

　　南都周刊：在你心目中，中国最近的文艺繁荣时代是在什么时候？

SMW weekly:In your heart,China's recent literary prosperity age is in what time?

　　韩寒：“五四”，还有上世纪80年代，前者有自由，后者有热情。

Han han:"The May 4th",And the 1980 s,The former have the freedom,The latter has a passion.

　　

最看不惯文人相轻 The most kan buguan scholars scorn each other.

　　南都周刊：比起同样制度下的苏联文学，不得不承认，我们的作家都挺虚弱的。你认为造成这样的原因是什么？

SMW weekly:Compared with the same system Soviet literature,Have to admit that,Our writers are quite weak.Do you think that cause such reason is what?

　　韩寒：一个是不同民族的性格使然，另外一个原因是对于很多苏联作家来说，欧洲是他们的后花园，也就是说，在苏联受到了迫害，欧洲有很多地方可以庇护他们，他们依然可以写作，且他们和欧洲很多国家都同属印欧语系，在语言上有很多共通之处。中国人有时候不认可自己人也是一个原因，就算一个中国人和一个老外干了一样的事情，也会下意识的觉得自己人不行。宁赠友邦不给家奴的思想扩展出来，也会造成我们自己的相轻。许多原因加在一起，时代的、性格的、语言的、民族的，总之就是倒霉悲催地加在一块，就成了现在的样子。

Han han:One is the character of different nationalities result,Another reason is for many the Soviet union for writers,Europe is their garden,That is,In the Soviet union was persecuted,Europe a lot of places can shelter them,They can still writing,And they and Europe many countries belong to the indo-european,In the language have a lot in common.The Chinese sometimes do not acknowledge own is also a reason,Even if a Chinese and a foreigner do the same things,Will the subconscious that people can't.Better give friend don't give family slave thoughts extended out,Also can cause our own phase light.Many reasons together,age/character/language/national,In a word is unlucky sad reminder to add on a,Became the way it is.

　　南都周刊：除了外在的环境，中国作家、艺术家自身还欠缺什么？和当代外国文学相比，你觉得中国当代文学的差距有多大？

SMW weekly:In addition to the external environment,Chinese writers/The artist itself also lack???????And contemporary foreign literature than,Do you think the gap between contemporary Chinese literature have how old?

　　韩寒：不缺什么，缺读者，缺高的稿酬，缺社会保障。我们的社会变迁经历和文字都太特别，我不是特别建议把我们的当代文学去对比外国文学。

Han han:Don't lack what,Lack of readers,Lack of high royalties,Lack of social security.Our social change experience and words are all too special,I'm not particularly suggest transforming our contemporary literature to contrast foreign literature.

　　南都周刊：就你接触过的中国作家来看，你最看不惯他们的哪些毛病？

SMW weekly:You have been exposed to Chinese writers to see,You can't bear to see what the most of their problems?

　　韩寒：文人相轻。我在早期也有这样的倾向，看不惯其他作家，觉得写得差。自己再放几句没有根据的狠话，觉得很不错。但相轻来相轻去，很容易变成互相诋毁。有人觉得中国作家圈子意识很重，但这无可厚非，人有自己的交友自由。

Han han:Scholars scorn each other..I in the early also have such tendency,Can't bear to see other writers,Think write difference.Myself to put a few words to no malicious words,Feel very good.But phase to phase light to light,Very easy to become mutual scandals.Some think Chinese writers circle consciousness is very heavy,But this understandable,People have their own friends free.

　　南都周刊：思想在文艺复兴中起到的作用有多大？目前，中国要实现文艺复兴，更需要的是思想还是勇气？

SMW weekly:Thoughts in Renaissance play a role in how?At present,China to realize the Renaissance,Need more thoughts or courage?

　　韩寒：没有什么文艺复兴了。这个时代东西太多了，就算文艺复兴到来，新的工业革命再来，我们也不会在这个时代的当时就觉察到。思想，别谈那么远吧。

Han han:No Renaissance.This time things too much,Even if the Renaissance arrival,The new industrial revolution come again,We won't in this age was aware of.thought,Don't talk about it so far.

　　南都周刊：所谓的青年作家，目前主要就是70后、80后、90后，但比起50后、60后作家来说，这几代作家都显得成熟很晚，还远没有创作出足以和他们抗衡的当代经典作品。这是为什么？

SMW weekly:The young writer,At present the main is after 70/After 80/After 90,But compared with after 50/After 60 writer,,The generations of writers seem mature very late,Is far from enough to create and they had to contend with contemporary classic works.This is why?

　　韩寒：无可否认，很多50后60后的作家写出很多优秀作品，但人们总是习惯于不认可当下，追溯过往。等到三十年后，一样会有人问，现在的20后、30后很畅销，很受关注，但比起上一批的80后、90后，还没有创作出可以抗衡……

Han han:There is no denying the fact,A lot of 50 after 60 writers write many outstanding works,But people always used to does not recognise the current,Back past.Wait until 30 years later,Will someone asked,Now after 20/After 30 sell very well,Very concern,But compared with a group of 80/After 90,Haven't create can counter……

　　南都周刊：有学者认为，历史在中国80后文学中是缺席的。对此，你怎么看？

SMW weekly:Some scholars think,History in China after 80 in literature is absent.this,What do you think of?

　　韩寒：据我所知，很多年轻作家有不少对历史的描述。某些学者所谓的年轻作家作品中的历史缺席，其实说到底就是年轻作家没有把作品背景放到文革、大跃进、反右、上山下乡等他们所经历的特殊时期。说真的，我虽然对那段历史略知一二，但要我把小说或者散文的背景直接放到一个我没有经历过，但在人类文明史上又极其特殊诡异的年代里，我没有那个勇气和信心，况且见证者大多都在世，年轻作家写起来很容易闹笑话。那个时代，没有经历过的人相信很难体会。很明显，就算年轻作家写了，某些学者也会跳出来冷嘲热讽地说，小作家还是要活在当下，写自己的生活，自己的年代，把背景放到父辈的特殊经历上是不可取的，因为你们写得漏洞百出，你看，那年代里，XXX根本就不是这样的……

Han han:As far as I know,Many young writers have a lot of the description of the history.Some scholars so-called young writers and works out of the history,In fact in the final analysis is the young writer not works in the background of the cultural revolution/Great leap forward/Anti-rightist movement/Go to the mountainous and rural areas and their experience of the special period.seriously,Although I know a little of that history,But I put the novels or prose background directly into a I have no experience,But in the human's civilization and extremely special tricky time,I don't have the courage and confidence,Besides witnesses mostly alive,The young writer writes quite easy to make a fool of oneself.The time,Had not experienced people believe that it is difficult to realize.obviously,Even if young writer wrote,Some scholars also can jump out to cynicism to say,Small writer or to live in the present,Write your own life,Own s,In the background of the fathers special experience is not advisable,For you write full of loopholes,You see,The time,XXX is not such……

　　南都周刊：新世纪以来，80后文学一直被贴着“青春文学”的市场标签，80后更优秀的严肃文学创作被遮蔽了。

SMW weekly:Since the new century,After 80 literature has been stick"Youth literature"Market label,After 80 more excellent serious literature creation is covered.

　　韩寒： 文学就是文学，青春文学、严肃文学，甚至穿越、宫斗、科幻，都是文学的一部分。不存在所谓更优秀的严肃文学创作。文学只有好的、坏的、好看的、难看的。当然，这个好坏的评判标准因人而异。

Han han: Literature is literature,Youth literature/Serious literature,Even through/GongDou/Science fiction,Is part of the literature.Does not exist the so-called more excellent serious literary creation.Literature only good/bad/good-looking/ugly.Of course,The quality criteria vary from person to person.