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上海“异地中考蝗虫论”提出者:不排外但排毒--亲稳网络舆情监控室
2013-01-03

上海“异地中考蝗虫论”提出者:不排外但排毒15岁的非沪籍女生占海特 15 of Shanghai nationality girls accounts for the sea

  “蝗虫女孩”的网络论战越发升级。粗暴的漫骂与理性的辩论无边界地交织在一起。我们同样认真地倾听了占家和反对者的声音,发现有两个不同的问题被叠加在了一起。如果拆解开来,也许更容易理解。

"The locusts girl"The network upgrade more controversy.Rough abusive and rational debate intertwined without boundary.We also earnestly listen to the voice of home and opponents,Found that there are two different issues are stacked together.If to dismantle,Maybe easier to understand.

  一是占家有没有说话的权利?二是占家的言论是否在理?

One is for home do you have right to say it?The second is whether reasonable speech of home?

  对于前者,我们信奉那句名言“我不同意你说的每一个字,但我誓死捍卫你说话的权利”。

About the former,We believe that famous saying"I don't agree with every word you say,But I will defend to the death your right to say it".

  对于后者,是一个延展性很强的问题,如果没有一系列精确的定语。即便是问同一个人,也可能因为立场、角度、焦距、语境的不同,而产生不同的结论。

For the latter,Is one of the ductility is very strong,If you don't have a series of accurate attributive.Even if is to ask the same person,May also be because of the position/Point of view/Focal length/Context of different,And produce different conclusions.

  更关键的是,占家和反对者,共同点并不少于分歧。至少,他们同样焦虑于现行教育资源的紧张。同样渴望获得更为公平的分配机制。而且,他们也都只是提问者,答案并不掌握在他们任何一方手中。

The more key is,Accounting for home and opponents,Common ground is not less than differences.At least,They also anxiety in current education resources of tension.Also eager to get more fair distribution mechanism.and,They are just the questioner,The answer is not in the hands of them any one party.

  12月12日晚间,老崔打了个“飞的”,跟随占海特的步履,飞到了北京,他此行的目的是,专程“调查占海特到底去北京干什么?”

On December 12, in the evening,Old cui dozen"fly",Follow the steps of sea,Flew to Beijing,Is the purpose of his trip,All the way"Investigation of the sea, how to go to Beijing?"

  老崔在网络上的身份是“守沪者联盟”的核心成员,占海特的激烈反对者。而在线下,这位中集建设集团中诚建筑设计有限公司营运总监自认为很宽容。

Old cui's identity on the Internet"Keep the Shanghai alliance"The core members,Of the sea, fierce opponents.In the line,The cimc construction group of architectural design limited company operations director think very tolerant.

  直到12月13日清晨降落上海虹桥机场,老崔并没有见到占海特本人。但他也表示,有人拍到了占海特。

Until December 13 morning landing Shanghai hongqiao airport,Old cui the sea, I don't see.But he also said,Someone took of the sea.

  不管结果如何,老崔觉得,此行是必须的,在他看来,调查占家,“也需要现实证据”。

Nitric oxide (No) matter how the results,Old cui think,This is a must,In his opinion,Survey of home,"Also need to be realistic".

  在占海特的描述中,老崔与他“守沪者联盟”的支持者是所谓的“光头党”;而在老崔与他的支持者的眼中,占海特与占家正是“入侵的蝗虫”,他们取了“医闹”的谐音,将占家称为“异闹”。

In the description of the sea,Old cui with him"Keep the Shanghai alliance"Supporters of the is the so-called"GuangTouDang";And in the eyes of the old cui and his supporters,Accounted for the sea, and it is"Invasion of locusts",They took the"argy-bargy"The homophonic of,Will account for home called"Vision make".

  这场硝烟弥漫的“战斗”,源于网络世界,亦在现实交锋,激辩至今,滋生出“信者恒信,不信者恒不信”的漩涡。

The fractious"The battle",Originated in the network world,Also in real,Hot debate so far,Breed out"Teh 恒信,Without constant do not believe"Of the whirlpool.

  双方都自认“非常理性”,却均被对方指责为,不但“一上来就是谩骂,根本不存在理性”,且是“背后有团队支持”,“在做有目的、有计划的诋毁”。

Both sides think"Is very reasonable",But were blamed for each other,Nitric oxide (No)t only"A come up is abuse,There is no reason at all",And is"Have the team support behind","Doing with a purpose/In a planned way of slander".

  

大沽路“约辩”的“罗生门” Dagu road"Argue about"the"The father door"

  大沽路“约辩”的话题,被老崔一次次地重提。那个节点,是从网上到网下双方交锋的策源地。

Dagu road"Argue about"The topic of,Was old cui again and again.The node,From online to offline both the original place of meeting.

  “上海的资源是阿拉三代人血汗积累下来的东西,凭什么让他们随便侵占?阿拉屋里只有一个小孩,他们像蝗虫一样……”2012年10月25日上午,大沽路100号的上海市教委门口的那场“约辩”现场中,面对占海特、她的父亲占全喜及他们的随行者,老崔身穿一件醒目的红色外套、戴了黑色墨镜,这样大声宣称。

"Shanghai resources is three generations blood accumulation of things,With what let them occupy casually?We are only a child in the room,They are like locusts..."On October 25, 2012 in the morning,At the entrance of the gate of the dagu road 100, the Shanghai municipal education commission"Argue about"In the field,Face of the sea,/Her father accounted for all the joy and their accompanying,Old cui wearing a marked red coat/Wearing a black glasses,So loudly declared.

  老崔这段“独白”,被记录在当天的视频中。这些充满硝烟味的视频,之后被公诸网络世界,海量传播。

Old cui this paragraph"monologue",Is recorded in the video of the day.With the smoke flavour of the video,Been seen after the network world,Mass communication.

  现在,他告诉本报记者,在“约辩”现场,他最早喊出了“保卫上海、保卫家园、驱除蝗虫”的口号,他得到了他的同伴们的共鸣虽然他们此前的交集在网络,现实生活中从未谋面。

now,He told the reporter,In the"Argue about"The scene,He shouted out at the earliest"Defend the Shanghai/To defend their homes/Remove the locusts"The slogan of the,He got his companions of resonance although they had intersection in the network,Never met in real life.

  “但是,占全喜那天,也在对我们叫嚷:你们都OUT了,我们才是上海人,我们才是上海的未来。”老崔说,“占全喜还对我说了句上海土著滚出去!”

"but,Of all the happy day,Also in Shouting to us:You have been OUT,We are from Shanghai,We are the future of Shanghai."Old cui said,"Account for all the xi also said a sentence to me Shanghai native get out!"

  “争取高考权利,教育平等,我们是新上海人”的口号也被占海特与其随行的非沪籍家长针锋相对地喊出了来。

"For the university entrance exam right,Education equality,We are new in Shanghai"Also occupied the slogan of the sea, and the accompanying parents of Shanghai nationality tit-for-tat to shout out come.

  这些呼啸而过的言语与争辩,都让当时的氛围更为剑拔弩张。

Roared the words and argue,Make the atmosphere more running at that time.

  老崔说,那个场合,“双方的情绪都很激动”。占海特也说,是“没有任何理性可言”。

Old cui said,The occasion,"The emotions of both sides are very excited".Of the sea, also said that,is"Nitric oxide (No) any reason".

  “光头党”这个占海特命名的称呼,在老崔看来,也正是上述“非理性情绪”的一部分,让他至今感觉极不舒服。在他看来,这是占家“故意贴标签”来丑化他们。

"GuangTouDang"This accounts for the sea TeMing name. The,It seems to old cui,It is also the"Irrational emotions"Part of the,Let him not feeling well today.In his opinion,This is for home"Deliberately label"To uglify their.

  而所谓网络盛传的当天占家反对方做出的“奥特曼”姿势,搁在老崔这里,也有一个完全不同的版本,“那只是代表我对你无话可说而已”。

The so-called of network media of opposition to make a home that day"Ferdinand ossendowski"position,Put on the old cui here,There is also a completely different version,"It's only for I have nothing to say to you".

  而老崔解释,他们当天,并没有经过事先的所谓“策划”要“围攻占家”,他们只是按约定时间前来,“也始终采取克制的态度,排除必要自卫情况,尽量不使用暴力”。

And old cui interpretation,They are on the same day,And without the so-called beforehand"planning"Want to"Siege of home",They just according to the agreed time,"Also always take the restraint,Rule out necessary self-defence,As far as possible don't use violence".

  老崔本人则在那个上午早占海特一刻钟而待,也正是去会会这位自诩为“少年公民、自由战士”的“对手”。

Old cui himself early in the morning of the sea, a quarter of an hour to do,It is also to meet the so-called"The young citizens/Freedom fighters"the"The opponent".

  现在,老崔对本报记者说,他在那天的那个场合吐露的是自己的心声。

now,Old cui told our reporter,He out of the occasion in the day is your inner voice.

  追溯而上,老崔的祖父辈开始从江苏老家来上海打拼;他的父亲是当年的知青,“文革”期间被下放到南京一家航运企业担任船工,后来调任至该企业驻上海办事处工作,最终得以留沪;1980年,老崔出生在上海,他拥有了上海户籍,之后,他考上了大学并读了EMBA,现在已经成为一名成功的商人,除了在目前的企业任职外,他在江西亦有投资……

Back up,Old cui's grandparents from jiangsu hometown to Shanghai;His father is educated youth of the year,"The cultural revolution"Was sent to nanjing during a shipping company to be set,Then transfer to this enterprise in Shanghai office work,Eventually to leave Shanghai;In 1980,,Old cui was born in Shanghai,He has the registered permanent residence of Shanghai,after,He admitted to the university and have read the EMBA,Has now become a successful businessman,In addition to the enterprise outside the office,He investment in jiangxi has also...

  网络流传甚广的一张照片是,在那场大沽路“约辩”现场中,一位戴着印有“No”字的黑色口罩的男子高高举起一张A4纸,其上写着,“反对异地高考,维护上海市民合法权益”。

Network is a photograph of widespread,In the dagu road"Argue about"In the field,A wearing on"Nitric oxide (No)"Word black mask the man lifted a piece of A4 paper,It is written in the book,"Against other college entrance examination,Safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of Shanghai citizens".

  但老崔并没有这张照片传达的这么极端。他表示,他本人并不反对开放异地中高考,他的主张是,“爱上海,不排外”。到今天,他依然希望与各方“多沟通”。

But old cui didn't send this photo so extreme.He said,He himself is not opposed to open different ZhongGaoKao,His idea is,"Love Shanghai,Nitric oxide (No)t exclusive".To this day,He still wishes to all parties"More communication".

  

“守沪者联盟”老崔: 我为什么反对占海特? "Keep the Shanghai alliance"Old cui: Why I oppose of sea?

  

没资格买票的插队者? Nitric oxide (No)t qualified to buy a ticket of the man who jumped the queue?

  在老崔看来,他有今天的成就,“完全是靠自己的努力得来的”。现实生活中,他与他的外地同事与朋友相处融洽。“我们不排外,但排毒。”

It seems to old cui,He has achieved today,"Is completely rely on their own efforts".In real life,He and his other colleagues get along well with friends."We do not exclusive,But the row poison."

  他表示,上海的政策非常宽容,“也给了占家各种机会”。老崔与他的支持者都对记者提到了那份《上海市居住证管理办法(草案)》。

He said,The policy of Shanghai very tolerant,"Also gives opportunities for home".Old cui and his supporters are mentioned that to reporters[Measures for the administration of Shanghai residence permit(The draft)].

  老崔与一些“守沪者联盟”的成员都先后对记者描述了他们的主张。他们认为,人口流动是大趋势,异地中高考也是大趋势,但是,上海目前“资源就是只有这么多”,要形成制度、要设立适当的门槛,“让权利与义务对等”,以确保上海这座城市教育资源合理分配。

Old cui with some"Keep the Shanghai alliance"The members of the order to the reporter described their ideas.They think,Population flow is a big trend,Different ZhongGaoKao is big trend,but,Shanghai"Resource is only so much",To form the system/To set up the appropriate threshold,"Let the rights and obligations of equivalence",In order to ensure that the city of Shanghai education resources reasonable distribution.

  老崔们忧心的是,如果不设限,全部放开,会造成大量投机式的“高考移民”,而“上海的承载力也就这么多”。

Worrying is the old cui,If you don't put limits on,Let go of all,Can cause a lot of speculation type"College entrance examination immigration",and"The bearing capacity of the Shanghai is so much".

  在老崔们看来,上海当下的这个居住证开放的梯度模式“做得非常好了”,“就全国来说,上海的教育开放,也是北上广中最宽松的,已经走在了全国前列,何来说我们不包容呢?”

In the old cui opinion,Shanghai then the residence open gradient mode"Do very well","In the case of the,Shanghai's education and opening to the outside world,Is also the most comfortable of north guang,Has been walking in the forefront,For what we don't include?"

  在《关于上海市居住证管理办法(草案)》中,将居住证分成为A证、C证、T证与临时居住证几种情形,对A证要求学历、职称、社保积分;对C证要求社保;无社保,则只能办临时居住证。

In the[About the measures for the administration of Shanghai residence permit(The draft)]In the,Will be divided into for A residence permit card/C, the l/C/T card and temporary residence several situations,To A degree certificate requirement/The title/Social security integration;Social security for C card requirements;There is no social security,Is to do only a temporary residence permit.

  前述管理办法也规定,“持《居住证》A证的人员,其子女可以按照本市有关规定在本市参加中考、高考。持《居住证》C证人员,其子女可以按照本市有关规定在本市参加全日制普通中等职业学校自主招生考试。”

Measures for the administration of the foregoing provisions,"the[Residence permit]A certificate of the people,Their children can be in accordance with the relevant provisions of the city to participate in the tests in this city/The university entrance exam.the[Residence permit]C card personnel,Their children can be in accordance with the relevant provisions of the city in the city to attend full-time secondary vocational school the recruitment of students test independently."

  占全喜来沪十年,无社保,他与他的家人至今拿的是临时居住证。而占海特此前领到的一份《2012上海市中等学校高中阶段招生考试报名信息表》,规定了考生的户籍类别涵盖的9种类型:持有本地常住户籍考生、原持有蓝印户口考生、持有人才类《上海市居住证》人员子女、各地来沪投资企业人员子女或驻沪办工作人员子女、父母双方或一方现属或原属本市常住户籍的考生,此外是本市博士后流动站人员子女、在沪台胞及台胞子女、在沪港澳居民、持外国护照考生。占海特并不在此列。

Account for all the joy to Shanghai ten years,There is no social security,He and his family to get the temporary residence permit.And of the sea before we receive a copy[2012 Shanghai middle school high school the recruitment of students test registration information form],Stipulated the examinee's household registration category covers 9 types:A local resident census register examinee/The hold blue print account the examinee/A talent of[Shanghai residence permit]Personnel children/To Shanghai investment enterprise personnel children or children in Shanghai office staff/One or both parents are now permanent the examinee of census register of or the original of this city,In addition the city Shanghai personnel children/In Shanghai and Taiwan compatriots and the children of the Taiwan compatriots/Hong Kong and Macao residents in Shanghai/Hold foreign passports examinee.Of the sea, is not in effect.

  “我们赞成的是循序渐进的开放。”在老崔看来,占海特一家没有能够在上海落户,占海特本人也没有机会在上海考高中,应该从占家自身找找原因,“占家一味强调他们"被迫害"。但为何比他们来得晚的人都会拿到A类居住证呢?”

"We agree with the progressive opening to the outside world."It seems to old cui,Of the sea, a failed to settle in Shanghai,Of the sea, I also didn't have a chance to study high school in Shanghai,Should account for home look for reason itself,"For home fastening on them"persecution".But why do those who came later than they would get A kind of residence permit?"

  老崔认为,开放的前提是要“遵纪守法”,要遵守上海的“游戏规则”,而占全喜没有遵循这个“游戏规则”,“占家超生、涉嫌偷漏税,违背了"契约精神",当然要被抛弃,凭什么要对他们放开?”

Old cui think,Open the premise is to"The law",To comply with Shanghai"The rules of the game",And accounted for all the joy did not follow this"The rules of the game","Accounting for super living house/In connection with the project,Violated the"Contract spirit",Of course will be abandoned,With what want to let go to them?"

  而与之针锋相对的是占海特提出的观点,这位微博“约辩”少女公开呼吁,她希望就地中高考政策不要与父母的职业、收入、纳税、房产、社保等挂钩,否则,穷人的孩子永无出头之日。

And with the tit-for-tat is the sea of this point of view,The micro bo"Argue about"Girl public calls for,She hopes that in situ ZhongGaoKao policy don't career with their parents/income/tax/Real estate/Social security, such as hook,otherwise,The children of the poor never down.

  她认为教育公平和考试的权利是人人生而平等的。反占者们一直没有从异地中高考这件事是否应该公平本身,而是从占家的道德角度诸如超生、涉嫌偷漏税等其他角度去评判占海特、占全喜父女。

She thinks that education fairness and the rights of a test is that all men are created equal.Anti - for they had not been ZhongGaoKao from whether the matter should be fair,But from the point of view of morality of home such as super living/Suspected of tax evasion and other point of view to judge of the sea/Of all the father happy.

  “公平是相对的,对占家的公平就是对上海所有遵纪守法的人的不公平。”老崔说。

"Justice is relative,House of accounting for the fair is all of the law of the people in Shanghai is not fair."Old cui said.

  这道价值平等还是现实需要的难题摆在双方之间。

This value equal or the needs of the real problems in the between the parties.

  

“价值平等”还是“物竞天择”? "Value of equality"or"Natural selection"?

  “占海特的压力并不是我们造成的。”老崔说。

"Of the sea, pressure is not caused by us."Old cui said.

  “契约精神”、“权利与义务对等”这样的字眼,常常在老崔的谈话中蹦出来,在他看来,这正是上海这座“海纳百川”的城市的可贵特质,遵循契约,并按照契约前行。

"Contract spirit"/"Rights and obligations of equivalence"Such words,Often in old cui jumped out of the conversation,In his opinion,This is the Shanghai"All rivers run into sea"The valuable trait of the city,Comply with the contract,And in accordance with the contract.

  对于教育资源分配的问题,老崔有自己的观点,“既然上海那么多的教育资源是我们自筹的,那么天平要向相关人员倾斜。”老崔说,在欧美国家,也是遵循类似惯例,比如,纽约州境内的每所大学对于该州的公民都有非常大的优惠政策,外来者需要缴纳高额费用。

For education resource allocation problem,Old cui has their own point of view,"Since Shanghai so much of the education resources are self - raised by us,So balance to relevant personnel."Old cui said,In the European and American countries,Follow similar practices,Such as,University of New York state within the territory of each to the state's citizens have a very big preferential policies,Outsiders need pay high cost.

  老崔介绍,“守沪者联盟”的成员都是一些松散的网民,他们许多人在现实生活中并不相识,但都爱上海,“我们是上海市民中的理性派”。

Old CuiJieShao,"Keep the Shanghai alliance"Are the members of the loose of Internet users,Many of them do not know each other in real life,But all love Shanghai,"We are Shanghai citizens of the rational".

  “在上海参加中高考,是我应该享有的权利。教育权人人生而平等,现在我们只是拿回属于我们的东西。”占海特说。

"In Shanghai to attend ZhongGaoKao,Is I should enjoy the rights.Right that all men are created equal,Nitric oxide (No)w we just get back what belongs to us."Of the said.

  但“物竞天择,适者生存”,“有付出,才有回报”才是老崔信奉的理念。在上海这座繁华的都市,竞争本就激烈,他与他周边的人都在这样努力打拼。他本人也是这样层层过关做到今天的职位的。

but"Natural selection,The survival of the fittest","Have to pay,Didn't have a return"Is the old cui who believe in the idea.In Shanghai, the bustling city,Competition is fierce,He and his people are so hard to play around.He himself also is such layers pass do today's position.

  在老崔看来,他针对的并非15岁的占海特本人,“她只是她父母及其背后团队的一颗棋子”,他觉得,“这场战斗远未结束”。

It seems to old cui,He aimed at the is not accounted for the sea, I am 15 years old,"She is her parents and pieces of a team",He felt,"The battle is far from over".

  而与之相对的是,占海特至今认为,前景依然是乐观的,她也一定会想办法念大学。

And in contrast is,Of the sea, that so far,Prospect is still optimistic,She will think of some way to college.

  在火药味十足的网络世界中,他们各有自己的支持者,在两个框架内各执一词。在持续的论战中,他们无法理解对方。

In the network world of tempestuous,They each have their own supporters,In two framework argue.In the ongoing debate,They can't understand each other.



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