搜狐教育： Sohu education:为什么会想到用营地这个形式在教育孩子呢？

Why would have thought this form with camp in education children?

乐君逸【小天使基金会秘书长】： LeJun escape[Little angel foundation secretary general]:宏观来说，牵扯到孩子的主动意识。孩子说了，我纯粹就是一种奉献服务。如果不问回报这种奉献的精神是可以得到一种心灵的满足，可是奉献完了，这个过程当中我的感想是什么？每一年我们做感想、总结都很感人，这个感人点就是说“奉献”——让每个孩子的爱心、奉献心、公益心得到满足。可是一年两年完了以后，我们发现这样不够，孩子仅仅只有奉献精神，那是一种热情，还要有方法。怎么样有方法？我们要提供一个很简单的理论叫做“自循环”。自循环就是方法、受众群、主动性。如何创造孩子的主动性，必须要找到一套理论告诉孩子。做公益，我在服务他人的时候可以从服务的过程中学到做人的乐趣、领导力、组织力，做微观的能力、宏观的关注都有，这个观点才是孩子在服务他人之后在学习过程当中得到的回报。任何一种公益行为、服务行为，如果完全不问回报会疲乏的。回报有两种，一种是你看他活得很好，给他服务完了你很欣慰，晚上睡得着。还有一种回报，你得到结论反思，反思之后我从这里面可以调整我的行为、学习态度和做事方法，跟别人相处的力量、能量、组织力量。这些反思是孩子的得到，这种得到是你以服务为出发、学习为回报最好的效益。在服务的过程中你找到了一种动机，这个动机放诸于微观做事的方法，放诸于与孩子之间相互团结做事情，叫组织能力或者领导力，放诸于自己素质培养的时候该产生你学习的动机，就是说我有可能缺乏某一种知识、某一种技术。我忽然之间发现天地之大已超过我的理解，世间所可能需要的帮助也超过我的知识范畴了，我就会产生一种很明确的主动，这种主动叫做为求其成而求自己的成，直白的说，在中国文化有一个定义叫做己欲利而利人，己欲达而达人，就是这个道理，我试图为别人好，可是我能力不足的时候我要提升。为他好的同时我提升了，我也为我自己好。这是好与好的相加相乘，就是这个原因定这个议题，然后让与我们理念相同的人分享，这个不叫增加孩子的负担，是帮孩子走到往下走的动力。不只是应付高考，不是应付一个社会或者是一个家庭对孩子的表面需求，反过来问孩子，你可以用什么方法找到你学习的动力？假设你学习的动力是为了服务他人，这样一种公共利益之心难道不是很美的事情，就这么简单。

For macro,Be involved in the child's active consciousness.The boy said the,I pure is a kind of dedication service.If ask return this dedication spirit is can get a soul satisfaction,But dedication out,This process my feeling is what?Every year we do feeling/Summary is very touching,The moving point is"dedication"-- let each child's love/Dedication heart/Public heart satisfied.But a year after two years,We found that this is not enough,The child only dedication,That is a kind of passion,Have method.How have the method?We want to provide a very simple theory is called"Since the cycle".Since the cycle is the method/Audience group/initiative.How to create the child's initiative,Have to find a theory to tell the children.Do public,I in the service of others from the service process middle school to be fun/leadership/Organization force,Do micro ability/Macro attention has,This view is the child in the service after others in the learning process to get rewards.Any kind of public welfare behavior/Service behavior,If completely ignore returns will be fatigued.Return there are two kinds of,One is you see he lives well,To serve him out you very gratified,Sleeping at night.Still have a kind of return,You get conclusion reflection,After reflection on me from inside this can adjust my behavior/Learning attitude and ways of doing things,To get along with people power/energy/Organization strength.These reflect is the child's get,This is you get to service for starting/Learning to return the best benefit.In the course of services you find a kind of motivation,The motive to put in the microscopic ways to do things,Put the children with each other between the unity to do things,That ability of organization or leadership,Put the in his quality training when the create your motivation to learn,Means I have may lack of a kind of knowledge/A kind of technology.I suddenly found that the heaven and earth has more than my understanding,World may need to help more than my knowledge the category,I can produce a very clear active,This initiative is called for the sake of it for their own into,Said straightforward,In the Chinese culture have a definition to the people and called himself,Yourself to achieve and da,That is the reason why,I tried to good for others,But I lack of ability when I want to ascend.For he good at the same time I promoted,I also for my own good.This is good and good additive multiplication,It is for this reason fixed the issue,Then release we share the same idea,This don't call increase the burden of the children,Is to help children walk to go down power.Not only deal with the university entrance exam,Not deal with a society or is a family on the surface of the child needs,In turn, asked the child,You can find you with what method of learning motivation?If you study power is to serve others,Such a public interest of heart is not very beautiful things,So simple.

　　这也是为什么营地要启动。我们做第三届了，以前都是以项目来发展，到现在我们决定还要发展营地，为什么？因为微观来说孩子遇到问题会来说，我要想帮助这偏远地方的那一群人，我们发现有一些知识不足，它可能属于技术，属于组织能力，甚至体力劳动都不足。我的教育理念不是没有，往往被轻忽，把这个问题提回来，这是前两年的问题。提回来之后，前两年我们会认为我们有一腔热情我们想做好事，要找到方法延续，这个方法就是先问如何增强孩子们的素质，营地是为了这个因素找到了服务性学习，告诉孩子我们的根本在哪里，为了服务他人，为了服务于社会。有了想法再给他做法，剩下就留给他们很大的创造空间，直白的说我们这些年跟孩子相处，我们知道孩子的创造力绝对超过我们的想象。你给他空间，给他平台，给他技术，给他微观的做法，再引导他的素质，他的创造力就不用你去体现。

This is why the camp to start.We do the 3rd,Before the project is to develop,Now we decided to development camp,why?Because for micro children encounter problems will be speaking,I want to help the remote place that a group of people,We found that there are some insufficient knowledge,It might belong to technology,Belongs to the ability of organization,Even manual labor are not.My education concept is not without,Are often neglect,This problem is brought back,This is the first two years of problem.Carry back after,Before two years we will think we have a cavity enthusiasm we want to do a good turn,To find a way to continue,This method is to ask how to enhance the quality of children,The camp is to this factor found service learning,Tell children our fundamental in where,In order to serve others,In order to serve the society.Have idea give him practice,The rest is left to them a great deal of create space,Straightforward say we have over the child to get along with,We know that a child's creativity absolute more than we can imagine.You give him the space,Gave him platform,Gave him technology,Give him microscopic practice,To guide his quality,His creativity need not you to reflect.

搜狐教育： Sohu education:在现行的教育体制下，“营地”的这种概念会不会有一点冲突？它的发展潜力怎样？

In the current education system,"camp"This concept will you have a little conflict?Its development potential?

乐君逸【小天使基金会秘书长】： LeJun escape[Little angel foundation secretary general]:营地的概念在西方1800年19世纪末开始，西方的发展也是先从商业性质，也就是说补强系统的不足为原始发展理念，一部分的发展跟西方人的宗教精神比如说童军文化有关，这是最早的人生。后来在一系列的变革当中发现了社会意识，直白的说，在发展自我商业的运作的过程当中找到社会赞助的力量。这个跟西方的企业发展也有分不开的关系。社会企业家，当他们找到社会需要他们帮助的点的时候，单单NGO不够，营地锁定的群体是青少年。影响青少年的方法除了学校、NGO之外，还有一块属于营地的，更直接更微观，这是最早的发生原因。到后来引入了中国，为了商业市场，特别一些英语营地，或者教你如何留学选学校，或者提升某一类比如音乐、钢琴的能力，这是早期中国这边的发展。到了后期，中国企业界发生了一些变革，比如基金会的成立。不同的基金会、NGO，他们都意识到了所谓的营地的重要性，这个重要性对企业而言需要有序发展，取之于民用之于民，除了NGO之外，假设你的营地没有那么强烈的盈利属性，或者具有更大的视野属性，我应该赞助你，因为你做的事是影响年轻人的事情，同时补足一部分教育理念不足的地方，这个可能性不足不叫绝对不足，却是思考小孩子如何可以受到更多不同面向的教育方法，这个时候营地的角色在中国就产生很大的变化。它从原本的商业性质慢慢进入了社会服务性质，而这个营地特别要强调这个营地是非盈利性的。它是一个调配给孩子较好素质的课程的一个实验基地，以这个基地体验出好的课程，然后去问不同的地方、不同的学校、不同的组织，有不同的需求，提出不同的解决方案。就是这个营地形成的原因。

The concept of the west camp in 1800 began at the end of 19th century,The western development is also the first commercial properties,That reinforcing the drawback of the system for the primitive development concept,The development of the part with western religious spirit for example scout culture about,This is the earliest life.Later, in a series of changes in that the social consciousness,Said straightforward,In the development of self business operation process to find the power of social sponsorship.This with the western enterprise development also have inseparable relations.Social entrepreneurs,When they find social need their help point,Just enough NGO,Camp lock group is the youth.Affect adolescent method in addition to the school/Outside NGO,There's only one piece of belongs to the camp,A more direct more microscopic,This is the earliest causes.To later introduced China,In order to commercial market,Especially some English camp,Or teach you how to study abroad to choose the school,Or ascending one kind of such as music/Piano ability,This is the development of early Chinese here.The late,Chinese business communities to change something happened,Such as the establishment of the foundation.Different foundation/NGO,They are aware of the importance of the so-called camps,The importance of speaking of the enterprise need orderly development,, by the people,In addition to outside NGO,Suppose you camp not so strong earnings attribute,Or have greater vision attribute,I should sponsor you,Because you do is impacts young things,At the same time make up part of the education idea the insufficient place,This possibility is not sufficient to insufficient feats,Is thinking how can children are more different oriented education method,This time the role of the camp in China will make a big change.It from the original commercial properties slowly into the social service properties,And this camp should be especially emphasized the non-profit camp.It is a mix give children better quality of the course of an experiment base,In this base experience a good course,Then go to ask different places/Different schools/Different organization,Have different needs,Put a different solutions.Is the causes of the formation of this camp.

　　前面问到营地的发展历史，它有从商业进入社会，也有从NGO进入社会，但是现阶段我们认为它是最活泼的，就是它不会有百分之百受所谓的体制设现，但是它也有体制的帮忙。因为直白的说除了教育这一块，我们做稳定社会的工作。如何做到稳定社会工作？做好教育，让孩子有所本、有所就、有所知，然后能够找到他发展方向的动力，为未来社会稳定提供最好的帮助，这就是营地在中国新的角色。在西方，营地已经非常成熟了，某些西方的营地甚至已经与新的创投公司进行技术性结合，某些营地实验出来的东西可以被商品化，最后直接被科技公司进行转投资。这个在西方已经发展到这个程度，中国还有很长的一条路要走。可是我们看到的却是非常活泼的东西，这就是为什么我们认为营地发展非常重要。

The development history of front asked camp,It has from the commercial into society,Also from NGO into society,But at this moment we think it is the most lively,Is it won't have one hundred percent by the so-called system is set up,But it also has the help system.Because of straightforward said that in addition to education this one,We do the work of social stability.How to do stable social work?Well education,Let children have this/Has just/cognised,And then to find the direction of his power,For future social stability to provide the best help,This is the camp in China's new role.In the west,The camp has been very mature,Some western camp has even with the new venture company technical combination,Some camp experiment out things can be commercialized,Finally directly by science and technology company investment transfer.This in the west have been developed to this extent,China still has a long way to go.But we see that it is very lively things,This is why we think camp is developing very important.

搜狐教育： Sohu education:今年三月份的时候搞了一次营地活动？

In march this year when make a camp activities?

乐君逸【小天使基金会秘书长】： LeJun escape[Little angel foundation secretary general]:先做论坛，然后今年7月份我们正式开营，整整暑假两个月的营地活动，后面就是一系列的。

First BBS,Then in July we formally camp opening,Whole summer camp activities for two months,The back is a series of.

搜狐教育： Sohu education:同基地做比较的时候，负责学生素质方面的开拓有一些相似度。咱们作为营地，区分于基地的方面在哪里？

Compared to the same base,Responsible for the students' quality aspects of development have some similarity.Let's camp as,Distinguished from the base of the aspects in where?

乐君逸【小天使基金会秘书长】： LeJun escape[Little angel foundation secretary general]:我想不要硬性的去区分每一个人的目标以及努力的方向，还是回到刚才那个原生宗旨。创设一个组织的原生目的是什么？那是我们的根。营地原本不是简简单单以一个微观的技术性去提供服务，而是一个大宗旨，这个大宗旨是培养良好的社会人，提供给孩子优质可以辅助的课程。这些课程绝对不是为应试而设的课程，而是为了个人发展，为了身心健全所提供的课程，不会因为一两次两三次的课程而放弃，孩子很有可能会奠定一些良好的基础。这个基础我们称为正面能量或正向能量，这种正向能量在将来继续维系下去会变成一个很好的社会人，懂得如何跟人相处。我们非常强调一点，合作、协作的重要性，为什么？一个人成不了社会，一群人才能成为社会。一个孩子，你要教会他，这个社会不是只有你一个人，而是有一群人跟你共生共长，所以你要做成一件事情，你要学团体合作、团队合作。在编排这些课程设计这些课程的时候，我们切成四大方向，回归到学习。方向是可以对接的，素质如何培养，落实技术。

I don't think to hard to distinguish each one's goals and direction,Comes back to just the primary purpose.Create an organization's primary purpose is???????That is our root.The camp was not simple as a micro technical to provide services,But a big aim,The aim is to cultivate good social man,To provide high quality children can assist course.These courses is definitely not a course for exams,But for personal development,In order to improve the physical and mental offers courses,Not because one or two times two or three times course and give up,The child is likely to lay some good foundation.This foundation we called positive energy or positive energy,This kind of positive energy in the future continue to sustain it will become a very good social man,To know how to get along with people.We are very important to stress,cooperation/The importance of cooperation,why?A man can't society,A group of talented person can become a social.A child,You want to teach him,The society is not only you a person,But there is a group of people with you symbiosis were long,So you want to make one thing,You want to learn group cooperation/team.In the layout of the course design of these courses,We cut into four direction,Regression to study.Direction can be docking,Quality, how to cultivate,Implement technology.

搜狐教育： Sohu education:在推动这些青少年的项目时，我们发现有哪些东西是中国青少年他们所欠缺的。还有哪些是他们所擅长的优势？南科大校长朱清时院士说，为什么中国每年培养很多状元，但是很难出顶尖人才？因为学校的某种思想其实固化了他们的创造性和想象力。在你们推动这些青少年发展项目当中你们发现哪些问题？

In promoting the teenagers project,We found that what thing is China youth they have come up short.What is the advantage of what they are good at?South university President zhu qingshi academician said,Why every year China first training a lot,But it is difficult to the top talents?Because the school some thought actually curing their creativity and imagination.In your drive these youth development program, you find what problem?

乐君逸【小天使基金会秘书长】： LeJun escape[Little angel foundation secretary general]:我想从三个方面，社会层面给青少年的目标太单一了，社会给青少年的价值观以及目标性太明确了。绝大多数家长告诉孩子，成功的标准在于达标，达标叫应试、考试、头衔或者是以后的以后种种社会性质的基本合作。这个标准让孩子认为他的生活只仅在于达标，因为为了达标，他把他的生活简化为达标的过程，这是第一社会所给予孩子的影响。我们不能说今天的孩子有了这些问题面临这些问题全部都是孩子得计的责任，最大的责任在于成人，成人告诉孩子你什么都不用管，你只要把高考考好了就行。这样间接造就孩子这种功利心，认为达到目的我就拥有一切，这是我们成人给孩子所设的障碍，这不是帮助，绝对是障碍。因为真实的社会不只是你可以考好试，、你读好所谓的书，然后你就成功了，绝对不是。第一是社会给孩子的限制，第二，孩子所需要的是能够跟人沟通的基本的“心”。这个心里包括了同理心，就是说你知道社会不是只有你一人，这个世界有很多人，你要跟很多人联结在一起。首先，你要能够跟人去沟通，敞开你心胸跟人沟通，这个是我们发现在青少年团体里面最缺乏的，叫做沟通的能力甚至叫沟通的意愿。为什么？你为什么会没意愿？因为你缺乏同理心，你认为你的意志、需求、要求先被满足，才能跟人沟通，成长的过程中，很多状况已经预先铺垫了这种模式。我先要有东西才愿意给东西，我才愿意讲出我心里的话，没有东西我就把我的沟通渠道给切断了。这一种状态我们在年轻的孩子里面见到的是比比皆是。所以我们急迫的想要替孩子建立能力沟通力，沟通力后面形成的是协调力，一旦有了协调能力就知道如何跟人共事共组织，这才是孩子真正缺乏的。孩子绝对不缺乏技术性的能力，创造力也是。每一个孩子单一站出来的时候都可以跟我们说，我有一个创意，我们应该如何如何来做一件好事。可是我们说，那好，你去组织。组织不了。为什么组织不了？我的创意、你的创意各自不同，你认为你的创意最好，我认为我的创意最好，谁也不服谁，这个事情就停在那儿，这是我们办项目时往往看到的现象。我们试图教育孩子，你缺的不是智慧、智商、技术，你缺的是懂不懂跟人相处。这个越早训练越能够塑造孩子在社会的适应能力，是我们认为最重要的，也就是我们在设计课程时，把人格启发、自我认知、人与自然、人与社会放在第一位，后面才是科技与艺术、择学、人文思考。它是积淀，要花时间累计的，前面是观念的调整、价值观的调整，越早调整越能养成孩子开放性的东西。

I think from three aspects,Social level to the goal of the youth is too single,Social to teenagers values and objectives is made clear.Most parents tell their children,The standard of success lies in the standard,Standard that takes an exam the/examination/Title or later after the basic properties of social cooperation.This standard let children think of his life just is only standard,For in order to the,He gave his life to simplify the process of standard,This is the first society to the child the influence.We can't say today's children have these problems facing these problems are all children succeed in one's scheme responsibility,The greatest responsibility lies in the adult,Adult children tell you what all need not tube,You just put the college entrance examination test well will do.Such indirect make children the utilitarian heart,Think to achieve purpose I will have it all,This is our adult give the child, which was established by the disorder,It is not helps,Absolute are the obstacles.Because the real society not only you can do well on the exam,/You read good so-called book,Then you are successful,Absolutely not.The first is the social to the child's limit,The second,Children need is able to communicate with people of the basic"heart".The heart including empathy,To say you know society not only you one,The world there are a lot of people,Do you want to come with a lot of people in the same boat.First of all,You must be able to communicate with people go to,Open your mind to communication,This is we found in adolescent group inside the most lacking,Called the ability to communicate even called the will of communication.why?Why do you didn't intend to?Because of your lack of empathy,Do you think you will/demand/Request to be met,Can communicate with people,The process of growing up,A lot of conditions have advance foreshadowing the mode.I have to have something to give things,I'm willing to speak out my in the mind words,Nothing I will put my communication channels to cut off.This kind of state in our young children inside see is everywhere.So we urgent for children to establish ability communication force,Communication is the force behind formation coordinated force,As soon as the coordination knew how to work with people were organization,This is the child of true lack.Children never lack of technical ability,Creativity is also.Every child a single stand out of the time can be said to us that,I have an idea,How should we how to do a good deed.But we said,The good,You to organize.Organization is not the.Why don't the organization?My creative/Your creative different,What do you think of your creative best,I think my creative best,Who also defy who,The things will stop there,This is what we do project often see phenomenon.We tried to education child,What you need is wisdom/Intelligence quotient (IQ)/technology,What you need is understand get along with people.The sooner the training more able to shape the children in the social adaptation ability,We think the most important thing,Is what we in the design course,The personality inspire/Self cognitive/Man and nature/Man and society in the first place,The back is the science and technology and art/Choose to learn/Humanistic thinking.It is the accumulation,Take time accumulated,The front is a concept of adjustment/Values of adjustment,The earlier the adjustment can develop children open things.

　　最后我再回到刚才强调的困难以及转型，孩子在面对困难的时候，家长不让，家长担心会耽误高考，这是认同感以及成就感。为什么？一件事情要做出有绩效，家长从中看到它存在的价值，那比它考一百次一百分都要有意义。这个是家长要去思考、再教育的过程当中，我如何调整、如何平衡对孩子教育需求的心态，而不只是问有没有考到好分数，有没有考到名校这么简单，而是去问，你在学习的过程中体现了个人价值没有？体现个人价值的方法不在于考试，而在于个人的认知、了解个人的取向。有一些孩子他就是乐于助人，从助人当中找到价值。还有一个工程叫做家长再教育，我们认为的每一年度的发展论坛就在于家长以及社会的再教育，这是我们下一段时间的重点。阻力是这个，挑战是什么？挑战是全世界的环境给予90后的孩子们更多更多的挑战。

Finally, I return to again just stressed the difficulties and transformation,Children in the face of difficulties,Parents don't let,Parents worry will delay the university entrance exam,This is the sense of identity and sense of accomplishment.why?One thing to make a performance,Parents see the value of its existence,The exam than it one hundred times a percentage should have meaning.This is the parents to think about/Reeducation process,How can I adjust/How to balance to the child education demand state of mind,And not just ask have got good grades,Have a test to school so simple,But to ask,You in the course of study reflects the individual value not?Reflect the individual value method is not lies in examination,But in personal cognitive/Learn about personal orientation.Some of the children he is ready to help others,From help others find value in.There is a project called parents re-education,We believe that every year's development BBS is that parents and social re-education,This is our next period of key.Resistance is the,Challenge is what?The challenge is to give the world environment after 90 children more more challenges.