两会召开在即，央视著名主持人白岩松（如下图，南都记者摄）多了个新身份第十二届全国政协委员。日前，新委员白岩松接受记者采访时表示，对于提案，他将坚守“感性思考、理性落笔”的原则。此外，作为新闻人，他也会持续和同行一起去思考，看能否形成一份提案，推进《新闻法》的立法进程。

Two conferences around the corner,Famous CCTV host bai yansong(The diagram below,SMW reporter was taken)More than a new identity the twelfth session of the CPPCC national committee.recently,New members bai yansong said when accepting a reporter to interview,The proposal,He will stick to"Perceptual thinking/Rational put pen to paper"The principle of.In addition,As news of people,He will continue with peers to think,See if I can form a proposal,To promote[Press law]The legislative process.

　　在北京南锣鼓巷的一个小四合院里，白岩松接受了南方日报记者的专访，分享了转型、改革等方面的思考和感慨。

Nan luogu xiang lane in Beijing, a small courtyard,Bai yansong accepted the southern daily reporter's interview,Share the transition/Reform of ways of thinking and feeling.

谈转型 Talk about transformation

每个人都是时代的铺路石 Everyone is in the era of paving stone

　　南方日报：你曾在书中说，即使是一条狗进了央视演播室，一个月以后它也会变成中国名狗。如果不是在央视这么一个平台，你会怎么定位自己？

Southern daily:You had said in the book,Even a dog into the CCTV studio,A month later it will become the dog.If not in CCTV, such a platform,How would you position themselves?

　　白岩松：很多人会说，我要是没进央视就不会有名，就不会有现在的影响力，你也不会从广州千里迢迢飞来北京给我做专访。但是，所得必有所失。1993年我曾拒绝央视的邀请，当时我还在中央人民广播电台，准备创办一张世界流行音乐的报纸，准备从报纸慢慢走向经纪、签约、演出、专辑等领域，我也有可能成为流行音乐界的大佬，可能会比现在幸福得多。

Bai yansong:Many people may say,If I were not in CCTV would not have known,There will be no influence now,You don't give me all the way from guangzhou to fly Beijing to do interviews.but,Gains will lose.I have refused the invitation of CCTV in 1993,When I was in the central people's broadcasting station,Prepared to start a pop music of the world newspaper,Prepared from newspapers slowly to the broker/Signed a contract/The performance/Album, etc,I also could be a pop music industry bosses,May be much more happy than now.

　　南方日报：你后来写的书取名《幸福了吗？》，你现在幸福了吗？

Southern daily:Then you write book[Happiness???],Are you happy now?

　　白岩松：现在中国很多人都在问“你幸福吗”，很多读者都在问这书名为什么不叫《你幸福吗？》而叫《幸福了吗？》，没加“你”，因为我凭什么问你幸不幸福，我首先要问我自己幸福了吗，首先是我的一个自问。

Bai yansong:China now many people are asking"Are you happy?",Many readers are asked why was not this title[Are you happy??]The name is[Happiness???],Don't add"you",Because why I ask you luckily not happiness,I must first ask myself happiness,Is one of my first ask yourself.

　　去年中央电视台策划的“你幸福吗？”，也许大家会从不同的角度去解读。我觉得这是一种进步，因为“我姓曾”这样的答案都能出现在《新闻联播》。

Last year, China central television (CCTV)"Are you happy??",Maybe you can from different angles to interpret.I think it is a kind of progress,Because of the"My name is who"This will appear in the answer[News broadcast].

　　但另一方面，我不希望记者伸着一个大话筒凑到观众面前问“你幸福吗？”，我们议论节目，是因为我们担心自己被幸福，我们怕被别人代表幸福。但是如果从今年开始，每个中国人都能天天问问自己幸福了吗，那这个问题就太有价值了。

But on the other hand,I don't want reporters stretched out a microphone up to the front of an audience"Are you happy??",We talk show,Because we are worried about being happy,We are afraid of being others represent happiness.But if starting from this year,Every Chinese person can ask yourself every day happy,That this problem is valuable.

　　但我的答案是否定的。因为我做这个行当，这个行当我真要把它做好的时候，我一定不是幸福的。2000年的时候，《文汇报》约我写新千年寄语，我当时给了两个关键词，一个是反思，一个是平静。我觉得只有平静了，才会靠近幸福，但我最缺的就是平静，平静才是超级奢侈品。

But my answer is no.Because I do the business,This game I really want to do it well,I will not happy.In 2000,[Newspaper wen wei Po]At about one thousand I wrote a new message,I was given two keywords,Is a reflection,One is calm.I think only calm,Will be close to the happiness,But I most need is calm,Calm is the super luxury goods.

　　南方日报：有人评价白岩松是一个建构主义者，你同意这种评价吗？

Southern daily:Bai yansong is a constructivists some evaluation,Do you agree with this assessment?

　　白岩松：我觉得归根结底是要建设，前阵子一个活动，叫“寻找未来的榜样”，其中让我给邓飞颁奖，我给的关键词就是“建设”。

Bai yansong:It seems to me that is ultimately to construction,A while ago an activity,call"Looking for future models",Let me give deng fei awards,I give the key words is"Construction of the".

　　“建设”这个词，20年前我不会说，20年后我也不会说。20年前我太年轻，没有太多机会，只能站在台下呐喊，没机会建设，因为接力棒没交到我手上。20年后我老了，建设的接力棒也被人拿走了，我要干的就是为年轻人摇旗呐喊助威。但当下我必须去建设，否则当我老了回忆靠什么去填补？有一句流行的话就是，年轻的时候不愤怒是身体有病，岁数大了还只是愤怒那就是精神有病。

"Construction of the"The word,I won't say 20 years ago,20 years later, I will not say.20 years ago, I was too young,Don't have much chance,Can only stand in the audience Shouting,No chance to build,Because the baton didn't hand in my hand.20 years later, I am old,The construction of the baton is also away,I want to do is stumping for the young.But now I must go to construction,Otherwise, when I am old memories on what to fill?There is a popular word is,Don't angry is the body sick when he was young,Older is anger that is mental illness.

　　南方日报：你从出《痛并快乐着》到《幸福了吗？》差不多刚好10年，你从愤怒到呐喊到建设的转型完成了吗？

Southern daily:Are you from[Pain and happy]To the[Happiness???]Almost exactly 10 years,You from anger to scream to the transformation of the construction of the finished?

　　白岩松：路途遥远而漫长。我们年轻的时候总有错觉，觉得终极目标总会实现，其实没有，所以每个人都是时代的铺路石。

Bai yansong:Long and long way.We always have an illusion when he was young,The ultimate goal will achieve,There is no,So everyone is in the era of paving stone.

　　我曾经说过一个悖论，我们这一代新闻人的使命就是推动新闻自由在中国逐渐变现，但是假如新闻自由真的到来的那一天，一定是我不干新闻的那一天。

I once said, there is a paradox,Our generation news people's mission is to promote freedom of the press in China gradually realized,Freedom of the press, but if really coming that day,I must do the news that day.

　　为什么新闻自由了我又不干了？因为我清楚，当新闻自由真正到来，首先呈现的可能并非我们所认为的铁肩担道义、严肃，而是八卦、丑闻，性暴力满天飞，商业利益占据上风，但是那是必经的阶段。只有经历了，自由才会慢慢平衡到一种令人期待的局面。那是下一代新闻人的使命，我们的使命就是推动新闻自由在中国逐渐变现。

Freedom of the press, why I don't do it again?Because I know,When freedom of the press,First presented may not be what we think of iron shoulders to moral/serious,But a gossip/scandal,Sexual violence!,Business interests prevail,But it is a necessary stage.Only through the,Free will slowly balance to an exciting situation.It is the mission of the next generation of journalists,Our mission is to promote freedom of the press in China gradually realized.

谈改革 Talk about reform

改革不能只被高层推着走 Reform can't be top pushes away

　　南方日报：党的十八大召开后，选出了党的新一届领导班子，随后中共中央政治局会议出台“八项规定”改进工作作风，你如何看待？

Southern daily:The eighteen after a big meeting of the party,Choose the party's new leadership,Subsequently the central committee of the communist party of China committee of the political meeting"Eight rules"Improve the work style,What do you think about?

　　白岩松：新常委亮相后，第二天我的评论就说，总书记都这么说话了，我们的地方官员怎么说、媒体怎么说，怎么去学会说话。但是我现在思考的是，也许将来空话和套话会大范围减少，但剩下的不一定都是真话。

Bai yansong:The new standing committee after the appearance,My comments and said the next day,The general secretary is so to speak,How do you say our local officials/The media how to say,How to learn to speak.But I think now is,Maybe in the future hot air and jargon can big range reduced,But the rest are not necessarily the truth.

　　南方日报：党的新一届领导班子执政之后，习近平总书记首次离京，选择视察作为改革开放前沿阵地的广东，你如何看待这个信号？

Southern daily:After the ruling party's new leadership,Xi jinping, general secretary of Beijing for the first time,Choose inspection in guangdong as the forefront of reform and opening-up,How do you see the signal?

　　白岩松：习总书记应该选择广东，因为这是中国改革开放真正开始的地方。我特别注意到习总书记在深圳的讲话，他强调，“你的胆子要大一点，要更有勇气一些。”我们过去是杀出一条血路来，摸着石头过河。那现在是不是要更有勇气一点，胆子更大一点？改革不能只被高层推着走。

Bai yansong:Guangdong xi general secretary should choose,Because this is China's reform and opening up is really the place to start.I pay special attention to the general secretary's speech in shenzhen,He stressed that,"Your courage to bigger,To more have the courage."We used to fight our way out,Touch stone across the river.That is it must be a little more courage,Be more daring?Reform can't be top pushes away.

　　南方日报：习总书记在十八大召开之后的中央政治局第一次集体学习时讲话指出，各级党委要旗帜鲜明地反对腐败，更加科学有效地防治腐败。于是，反腐就成为热点话题，网络反腐异常火爆，你如何看待反腐问题？

Southern daily:Xi held in 18 major general secretary of the political bureau of the central collective learning for the first time after talk,Party committees at all levels should unequivocally against corruption,More scientific and effective prevention and control of corruption.so,Corruption has become hot topic,Network anti-corruption,What do you think about anti-corruption issues?

　　白岩松：我总结起来更清晰，反腐败必须经历三个阶段，从不想，到不敢，到不能。过去我们很长时间是靠思想教育工作让人不想，想依靠思想教育把腐败反了，门儿都没有，因为诱惑在那里，只要有足够的获利空间，就会有人铤而走险。

Bai yansong:I sum up more clearly,Anti-corruption must go through three stages,From don't want to,To dare not to,To be.We used a long time is to let a person do not want to rely on ideological education work,Want to rely on ideological education against corruption,Any without,Because the temptation there,As long as there are enough profit space,Someone will take risks.

　　我们现在正处在这样一个“不敢”的时代，严惩之下，更多人不敢腐败了，戴个好表不敢露出来，用个奢侈品也会很快被人肉，腐败的成本在加大，人们也就逐渐不敢了。

We are now in such a"Did not dare to"The era of,Severely punished under,More people dare not corrupt,Wearing a nice table can't come to light,With luxury goods will soon be human flesh,Corruption in more costs,People also gradually didn't.

　　要想根治腐败，我们要通过建立法律、规章制度和机制，让人即便有贪心也无从下手。现在我们刚处于由不想到不敢的阶段，需要快速推动到由不敢到不能。

If you want to effect a radical cure of corruption,We want to through the establishment of the law/Rules and regulations and mechanism,Let a person even with greedy also do not know how to start.Now we don't think of can't just in the stage,Need to quickly drive to dare not to be.

　　南方日报：目前中国的哪些问题让你感受最深刻？

Southern daily:What problem at present in China let you feel the most profound?

　　白岩松：我觉得有三个层面，中国的首要问题是发展，中国是一辆自行车，骑着就稳、停下就倒，必须经过一个合适的发展，起码还得20年，或许还不止。第二大问题是人口老龄化，谁来为我们养老？第三是亟须一场心灵改革，伴随着经济体制改革和政治体制改革，如果不拉开心灵改革的大幕，中国依然危险。我们为什么一直在寻找信仰，因为信仰的背后是敬畏，敬畏是时代大河流两边的河床，只要有敬畏在，河床很高，不管里头的河水如何奔腾汹涌，它总是安全的。

Bai yansong:I think there are three aspects,Primary issue is the development of China,China is a bicycle,Riding is stable/Stop fell,Must go through a proper development,Have to at least 20 years,Perhaps more than.The second problem is population aging,Who to pension for us?The third reform is a key in a heart,Along with the economic system reform and political system reform,If you don't open heart reform unfolds,China is still dangerous.Why we have been looking for faith,Because faith is behind the fear,Fear is big rivers on both sides of the river bed times,As long as there is in awe,River is very high,Regardless of is in the river pentium surging,It is always safe.

　　南方日报：习总书记在参观《复兴之路》展览时深情阐述中国梦，你在美国耶鲁大学演讲时的主题也是《我的故事以及背后的中国梦》，你如何理解我们所谈论的中国梦？

Southern daily:Xi general secretary in the visit[renewal]Exhibition deeply in this paper, the China dream,You are the theme of the speech is also a Yale university in the United States[My story and the Chinese dream behind them],How do you understand what we talk about the Chinese dream?

　　白岩松：我心目中的中国梦，是由一代人前仆后继以国家富强、民族复兴为追求的梦想，慢慢过渡到国家如何为民众搭建实现梦想机会的平台。

Bai yansong:The Chinese dream in my mind,Is effected by the generation, within the country rich and strong (powerful)/National rejuvenation in the pursuit of dreams,Slowly transition to state how to realize dream of opportunity for people to set up the platform.

　　国家富强的目的是什么？国家富强的目的是要让个人、每一个个体更有尊严、更幸福、有更平等实现梦想的机会，我觉得这是中国梦的含义。用最简单的一句话概括，中国梦是一个由国到家的过程。

What is the purpose of the country rich and strong?Purpose is to let the people of country rich and strong (powerful)/Each individual has more dignity/More happiness/Have a more equal chance to make my dream come true,I think this is the meaning of the Chinese dream.In the most simple sum up a word,The Chinese dream is a process from the home.

　　南方日报记者 杨大正 北京报道 实习生 姚雪乔 朱煜霄 陈攀

Southern daily reporter Yang Dazheng Beijing intern Yao Xueqiao Zhu Yuxiao Chen Pan

　　统筹：梅志清 郑春峰 胡念飞

As a whole:MeiZhiQing Zheng Chunfeng Hu Nianfei