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北大硕士退学声明引发研究生该如何科研热议--亲稳舆论引导监测室
2013-03-03
2月18日,北京大学某工程类专业的一名硕士生在人人网上发出退学声明称,他就读的实验室老师们总是把繁琐枯燥、自己都不想做但又必需的工程收尾环节扔给他,他对此很不满:“如果这样毫无意义的‘苦力’劳动也好意思号称科研,本人的确没有参加这样的科研,也不可能参加。”最后导师以他未到实验室参加科研工作为名,不同意他毕业,并在必修科目“科研实践”上记“不及格”。日志发表不久,这名学生将此帖删去,表示不希望成为舆论中心。但此举仍引来各方议论。
On February 18,,Some engineering of Beijing university, a master's in renren leave school said in a statement,He attended the lab teachers always tedious tedious/You don't want to do, but the necessary link of project closeout threw to him,He is very fed up about it:"If so, is meaningless‘coolie’Labor or so-called scientific research,I really did not take part in this research,Could not attend."The last teacher he arrived at the laboratory for research work,Don't agree with he graduated,And in the required subjects"Research and practice"Is written"Don't pass the".Log in shortly,The student will delete this post,Said don't want to be a centre of public opinion.But it still draws the parties discussion.
研究生科研等于“搬砖”? Is equal to the graduate student research"Move brick"?
“搬砖”是研究生们对科研工作的戏称,从字面上来看,这是调侃科研工作中存在着大量的重复劳动。一位曾在同一个实验室就读的北大毕业生表示理解这名硕士生发退学声明的举动,因为几年来情况一直如此。在这个实验室,导师不允许学生自主选课,并且要求大家在没有课的时间都必须到这里继续打卡做工。“研究生在实验室干活儿的目的是积累经验,而且应该做研究性的工作。我们毕竟是学生,你不能因为给学生开了工资就像对待雇员一样对待我们,幸好我们院就只有这一个实验室是这样。”这位毕业生认为。
"Move brick"Graduate students is jokingly referred to scientific research work,From the literal,It is fun there is a lot of repeated labor in the scientific research work.One once in the same laboratory at the Peking University graduate said understand this master's hair, drop out,Because over the past few years has been the case.In this lab,Mentor don't allow students' course selection,And everyone must be here in no lesson of time to clock out work."Experience is the purpose of the graduate students in the lab work,And to do research work.After all, we are students,You gave the student wages can't because you treat us just like we treat our employees,Fortunately, our school and there were only a laboratory."The graduates to think.
对于这次的事件,一位北大某理科院系的同学却不认可这名硕士生的举动,认为他可能根本不适合科研。“但这件事也暴露了我国院校科研存在的问题。美国和我们情况不一样,很多我们人工完成的东西他们都机械化了。美国的科研主要苦在没有思路,我们则多是每天干一样的工作,感觉累。”
For this event,A certain science department of Peking University students had do not recognise this name master,Think he may not suitable for scientific research."But it also exposed the problem of colleges and universities scientific research in our country.America and our situation is different,Many artificial we finish things they were mechanized.The research main bitter without thinking,We are do the same work every day,Feel tired."
这样的想法在工程类研究生中并不少见,一些学生在本科的时候,还坐在课堂里学理论知识,到了研究生阶段,却要拿起电焊自己焊接东西,但只要是为科研服务,而且是自己感兴趣的领域,大部分人虽然干得很苦,但并不在意。2月22日,声明退学的北大硕士在新日志《反省一下》中也不再谈“苦力问题”,而是表示自己之前偏激了,老师对他还是很好的,自己最大的问题是在当初研究生选方向时信息不对等,这不是他感兴趣的专业。他认为,如果把每个专业研究的具体内容让本科生了解得更清楚,并在制度上对学生选择科研方向和转换科研方向上更加开放,可能更有利于真正解决类似他与实验室之间产生的矛盾。显然,科研工作不是自己的兴趣所在,是困扰他的最主要问题,而据记者了解,与他有同样困惑的研究生还有不少。
The idea is not uncommon in the engineering graduate students,Some students in the undergraduate course,Still sitting in the classroom to learn theoretical knowledge,The graduate student stage,But picked up welding welding,But as long as it is service for scientific research,And their own areas of interest,Although most people do very hard,But don't mind.On February 22nd,,Statement to drop out of the master of Peking University in the new log[Reflect on]Also no longer talk"Labor issues",But said oneself before radical,The teacher is very good for him,Their biggest problem is that when the direction of graduate students to choose information is wrong, etc,It is not his professional interest.He thinks that,If the specific content of each professional study for undergraduate students to understand more clearly,And on the system for students to choose more open research direction and the transformation of scientific research direction,May be more conducive to real solution similar to the contradiction between he and his lab.clearly,Scientific research is not his own interest,The main problem is bothering him,According to reporter understanding,We've got a lot of graduate students have the same confusion with him.
科研也需要“苦力”工作 Research also needs to be"coolie"work
对这名硕士生的做法,也有人不以为然。北京师范大学研究生导师吴岩在微博上说:“我觉得学生应该参加科研。如果对科研的做法有意见,可以讨论。”
To the master,Others disagree.Beijing normal university graduate student tutor Wu Yan said on weibo:"I think students should take part in scientific research.If you have any opinions on the practice of scientific research,Can be discussed."
清华大学信息学院的一位学生告诉记者,他现在做的是无线传感器研究,科研的想法很诱人,但一一拆分下来就是各种低端的苦力性工作。一个学生用各种不同的材料制备薄膜,另一个学生搭各种各样的电路,再把之前的人做的实验再重新做一遍看是否可行。
A student of tsinghua university institute of information told reporters,He now do is wireless sensor research,Scientific research idea is attractive,But one by one break down is all sorts of low-end labor work.A student with a variety of thin film materials preparation,Another student by all kinds of circuit,Before the experiment again do it again to see if workable.
在他看来,这种苦力性工作很容易让人体会到科研的艰苦和成果的来之不易。他说:“低端的工作从知识层面上来讲对学生帮助确实不大,但对摆正心态却很重要。任何引领科研潮流的人都要从普通的科研做起,很精彩的想法下面堆积的都是苦力性的工作。”
In his opinion,The coolies sex work is easy to realize the scientific research of hard and hard-won achievements.He said:"Low-end jobs from knowledge level does not help to students,But it is important to adjust state of mind.Any lead research trend must start from the ordinary research,Great ideas are piling up under the labor work."
北大化学系的小强(化名)就读于金属有机实验室。在他看来,理工科院系的学生都知道“搬砖苦搬砖累”,但化学这个学科不“搬砖”不行,因为是实验科学需要重复性工作。
Jack Bauer of chemistry department of Peking University(Not his real name)Studying in metal organic laboratory.In his opinion,Science and engineering college students all know"Move move brick brick hardships",But the discipline is not chemistry"Move brick"no,Because is the experimental science need to repeated work.
“但我不赞成完全的‘苦力’,在科研中能体现自己的想法最好。”小强介绍说,这次的退学事件在北大只是个例,大多数实验室的科研工作强度还是在学生可以承受的范围之内的。小强告诉记者,他所在的组的导师就很亲切,交给每个人的科研都跟自己的兴趣相关,并且有一定探索性。(本报记者 王庆环 本报通讯员 冯颖)
"But I don't agree with completely‘coolie’,Can best embody his idea in scientific research."Jack Bauer said,The school events in the north only alone,Most of the laboratories of scientific research strength is still within the scope of students can afford.Xiaoqiang told reporters,His group's mentor is very kind,To everyone's research are related to their interests,And there are some exploratory.(Our reporter Wang Qinghuan our correspondent Feng Ying)
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