全国人大代表、佛山市市长刘悦伦谈机构改革 The National People's Congress/Foshan mayor LiuYueLun about institutional reform

　　转变职能，还需再造行政审批流程 Transformation function,Still need to reengineering process of administrative examination and approval

　　■新快报特派北京记者 罗仕 罗琼 报道

S new express special Beijing reporter Luo Shi Luo Qiong reports

　　“机构改革只是一种手段，根本性目的是转变政府职能，提供更好的公共服务。”昨日全国人大代表、佛山市市长刘悦伦接受新快报记者采访时表示，此次机构改革吸取了佛山机构改革试点的成功经验。他认为，机构改革需按照公开化、标准化、信息化原则去再造行政审批的流程。

"Institutional reform is a kind of means,Fundamental purpose is to transform government functions,To provide better public services."The National People's Congress yesterday/Foshan mayor LiuYueLun new express reporter to interview said,The institutional reform from the successful experience of the foshan institutional reform pilot.He thinks that,Institutional reform should be in accordance with the public/standardized/Informationization principle to reengineering process of administrative examination and approval.

　

　●谈机构改革 When talking about institutional reform

　　下一步应考虑补上行政审批流程 The next step should consider to make up for all the administrative examination and approval process

　　“要按照公开化、标准化、信息化原则去再造行政审批的流程。” "According to public/standardized/Informationization principle to reengineering process of administrative examination and approval."

　　新快报：新一轮的机构改革已经启动，佛山两年前就曾试点机构改革，您觉得在机构改革中需要注意哪些问题？

New letters:A new round of institutional reform has been launched,Foshan has pilot reform two years ago,What do you think what issues need to be paid attention to in the reform?

　　刘悦伦：机构改革不仅仅只考虑职能机构设置和职能转变，还有行政体制改革一大块。

LiuYueLun:Institutional reform not only considering the function organization setup and function transformation,There is a large piece of administrative system reform.

　　你有了机构和职能，但是你这些机构履行职能，还是按照过去存在问题的程序来做。所以，行政审批的流程要加进去，下一步应该考虑这个，应该补上。

Do you have the institutions and functions,But you these organizations to fulfill its functions,Or according to the problems of the program to do in the past.so,Administrative examination and approval process to put in,The next step that should be considered,Should catch up on.

　　比如说佛山现在推行的网上审批，市民可以通过终端机扫描提供材料，不需要去现场，最后凭原始证件去取证便可。像这种信息化网上办事有很大的好处，因为它是公开透明的，甚至人和人不用见面，这就可以减少腐败。

Implementation of online examination and approval, for instance in foshan now,Citizens can scan through the terminal to provide material,Don't need to go to the scene,Finally, with the original documents to obtain evidence.Like this kind of information online has a lot of benefits,Because it is open and transparent,Even people don't have to meet,This could reduce corruption.

　　再举一个例子，过去审批是串联审批，批完这个再批这个，批完这个再批那个，耗时时间非常长，但如果你把他分为前台和后台，前台你把案子收下来，后台是十几个部门同时进行审批，这就大大缩短了时间，方便了老百姓，方便了企业。

For another example,The past is a series of examination and approval for examination and approval,Batch of this batch of the back,Batch of this batch that back,Time is very time consuming,But if you take him into the front desk and the background,You put the case closed down at the front desk,The background is more than a dozen departments for examination and approval at the same time,This will greatly shorten the time,Convenient for people,Convenient for the enterprise.

　　所以我觉得要按照公开化、标准化、信息化原则去再造行政审批的流程。

So I think it should according to the public/standardized/Informationization principle to reengineering process of administrative examination and approval.

　　新快报：一些人认为部门利益是机构改革最大的阻力，您是否认同这一观点？

New letters:Some people think that department interests is one of the largest resistance institutional reform,If you agree with this view?

　　刘悦伦：这个阻力（部门利益），只要中央政府下决心，或者上级政府下决心，都是能够推进的。我倒不认为部门利益是机构改革的最大难度，真正的难度是把机构改好、行政职能转好。

LiuYueLun:The resistance(Department of interest),As long as the central government determined to,Make up my mind to, or the government at a higher level,Is to promote.I don't think department interests is one of the biggest institutional reform difficult,The real difficulty is the institutional change/Administrative functions.

　　新快报：佛山顺德机构改革试点力度非常大，这次中央的机构改革，您是怎样看的？

New letters:Foshan shunde institutional reform pilot strength is very big,The central institution reform,How do you think?

　　刘悦伦：这次中央采取这样的方式侧重职能转变和放权，这个是对的。机构改革，不是为了机构改革而机构改革，根本性目的是转变政府职能，促进社会主义市场经济的公平竞争，促进政府提供更好的公共服务，这才是机构改革的目的。

LiuYueLun:The central focus on function transformation and to delegate such ways,This is right.Institutional reform,Not for institutional reform and institutional reform,Fundamental purpose is to transform government functions,To promote the socialist market economy fair competition,Promote the government to provide better public services,The purpose of which is the institutional reform.

　　新快报：有媒体报道说，这次机构改革之后，一个局有可能会有很多副局长，您觉得这种现象是一种常态还是过渡状态？

New letters:Media reports said,After the institutional reform,A bureau deputy director may there will be many,What do you think of this phenomenon is the norm or transition state?

　　刘悦伦：肯定只能是过渡，说实话，这些人机构改革后怎么消化的办法还没有想到。我认为还是要人性化一点，逐渐逐渐地消化、淘汰。现在要一下把公务员饭碗“敲”掉，这个好像还不太合适。

LiuYueLun:Sure is only transitional,To tell the truth,After the institutional reform hasn't thought of how to digest the way.I think still need to humanization,Gradually, gradually digestion/eliminated.Now to the civil service job"knock"off,If this isn't good.

　

　●谈广佛同城 Second-ranking guangfo city

　　充分理解广州车辆限行 Fully understand the vehicle limit line in guangzhou

　　“要互相理解、互相尊重，尽量去减少对于跨地居民的影响。” "To understand each other/Respect each other,As far as possible to reduce for across the influence of the residents."

　　新快报：目前广州已经开始车辆限行，这是否会影响到广佛同城的推进呢？

New letters:Guangzhou has started the vehicle limit line at present,This will affect the advance of the city?

　　刘悦伦：广佛同城力度在进一步加大，尤其是交通基础设施。前一段时间有人说广佛同城是假同城，我不赞成。现在高铁西站已经动工建设两个礼拜，很多人认为佛山西站实际上就是广州的西站。我们也有一个想法把西站打造成广佛的交通枢纽。

LiuYueLun:Guangfo city dynamics in the further,Especially the transportation infrastructure.Some time ago someone said that the city guangfo city is false,I don't agree with.Now Gao Tiexi stand construction for two weeks,Many people think of foshan west station is actually the west station in guangzhou.We also have a idea beat west station of guangfo transportation hub.

　　至于广州的车辆限行，首先我们充分的理解，如果对外地车不限行的话，广州无论是从交通的拥堵还是环境质量都受到影响。当然很多市民也担心，怕限行会影响跨地区生活、工作的一些人群，我们也跟广州提出这个问题，看看通过什么方式来尽量解决。我想，首先是互相理解、互相尊重，在此基础上寻找大家共同能够接受的方案，尽量去减少对于跨地居民的影响。

As for the vehicle limit line in guangzhou,First of all, we fully understand,If foreign car to any line,Guangzhou from traffic congestion and environmental quality are affected.Many residents are worried about, of course,Afraid of the limit of guild influence life across the region/Some people work,We also put forward this problem to guangzhou,As far as possible to solve see through what way.I want to,The first is to understand each other/Respect each other,On this basis acceptable to seek a common solution,As far as possible to reduce for across the influence of the residents.

　　新快报：虽然佛山也有一些重大平台跻身省的平台，但跟南沙、横琴、前海等新区比起来，享受到的国家特别优惠政策可能不会有那么多。现在在区域竞争越来越强烈的一个时期，佛山怎么争创下一步发展的优势？

New letters:Although the foshan also has some major platform among the province's platform,But with the nansha/hengqin/New district, such as the sea, than before,Enjoy the special preferential policies may not have so many countries.Now in a period of regional competition becoming more and more strong,Foshan how to strive for the next step development advantage?

　　刘悦伦：改革不应该总是提供区域的优惠政策，这本身就是一种不公平，是一种误区。为什么它能干，我们不能干，逼得各个市的市长去争取优惠。

LiuYueLun:Reform should not always provide preferential policies of the region,This in itself is a kind of unfair,Is a kind of misunderstanding.Why does it do,We can't do,Forced the mayor to get discount.

　　当然我作为市长来说，我也希望多争取一些优惠政策，但我争取到了，对人家也不是很公平。我认为，在改革开放初期是必要的，现在应该是促进区域统筹协调发展，而不应该是给予一些特殊优惠政策，这种特殊优惠政策导向的倾向，扼杀人的创造力，应该是谁有创造力，谁能改革，就鼓励谁干。国家应该鼓励体制、机制的创新，而不是说单纯给一些优惠政策。

Of course I as mayors,I also want to strive for more preferential policies,But I got,To the somebody else is not very fair.I think,At the beginning of the reform and opening up is necessary,Now should be to promote regional coordinating development,And should not be given some special preferential policies,The special preferential policy guidance,Kills people's creativity,Who should be creative,Who can reform,Who will encourage dry.Countries should encourage system/Mechanism of the innovation,Rather than simply give some preferential policy.

　　所以佛山下一步也不能够指望获得多少国家特殊优惠政策，我们历史上从来没有，佛山还是要依靠改革创新精神，大胆改革，大胆创新，依靠干部素质，靠我们的努力奋斗。

So foshan next will not be able to count on how many countries special preferential policies,Never in our history,Foshan depend on reform and innovation spirit,Bold reform,Bold innovation,Rely on cadres,By our hard work.

　　

●谈GDP排名 When talk about GDP ranking

　　偶尔领先只是幸运，广东转型佛山先走 Occasionally lead just lucky,Transformation of guangdong foshan go first

　　“我真正关心的不是这个排名，关键是下一步能否实现有质量有效益的增长，通过一种新的发展模式实现增长。” "I don't really care about the rankings,The key is whether the next step can achieve with quality benefit growth,Through a new development model for growth."

　　新快报：最近有媒体报道称，佛山GDP在全国滑落至15名，过去两年已被成都、武汉、南京、大连先后超越，您是怎么看佛山GDP下滑的趋势问题？

New letters:Recent media reports said,Foshan GDP fell to 15 in the whole country,In the past two years have been in chengdu/wuhan/nanjing/Dalian has been beyond the,How do you think of foshan the downward trend in GDP?

　　刘悦伦：我注意到这一问题，说句实话，我心里从来没有认为，我们真正超越了你刚提的这些城市，这些都是全国赫赫有名的大城市。就算我们偶尔超过他们一下，那是幸运，况且15名的位置，我觉得也并不低。

LiuYueLun:I noticed this problem,To be honest,I never thought in my heart,We are really beyond you just mention the cities,These are the famous cities in the country.Even if we over them occasionally,It is lucky,And the location of the 15,I think is not low.

　　当然这两年有点下滑势头，因为佛山的产业结构决定佛山遇到了一些困难，这应该引起我们的重视，但我真正关注的是下一步能否实现有质量有效益的增长，通过一种新的发展模式实现增长。

Of course a little decline over the past two years,Because the foshan foshan industrial structure decided to met with some difficulties,This should cause our attention,But I really concern is the next step can be fulfilled with quality benefit growth,Through a new development model for growth.

　　新快报：在佛山面临GDP被超越的同时，广东也面临着江苏、山东等省的超越威胁，您怎样看到经济总量“老大”之争？对广东的发展有什么好的建议？

New letters:In foshan face was beyond GDP at the same time,Guangdong is faced with jiangsu/Beyond the threat in shandong province,How do you see the economy"The boss"battle?Have any good Suggestions to the development of guangdong?

　　刘悦伦：广东与江苏的总量之争，跟我刚刚讲的佛山跟其他的城市之争我认为态度是一样的。广东的优势在于，你先发展了10年，所以你先富了。但这也是广东最大的劣势，就是因为早了这10年，你的产业层次就比人家低，你引进的东西就不如人家。

LiuYueLun:The amount of guangdong and jiangsu,Tell I just argue with other cities of foshan I think attitude is the same.Guangdong's advantage,You first development for 10 years,So you're cashing in.But this is one of the biggest disadvantages of guangdong,Because earlier this decade,Your level of industry is lower than the somebody else,What you introduce, would probably be somebody else.

　　所以我们现在真正面临的问题是，产业结构怎么上档次问题，如何有更好的质量效益增长的问题，如何转变发展方式的问题，如何走创新驱动的路的问题。如果不转变，广东在这些方面被人家超过就永远赶不上了，如果说转变了，就算被人家超越，还可以赶上。

So now we are faced with the problem is real,How to grade industrial structure problem,How to have a better quality benefit growth problems,How the transformation of the mode of development of the problem,How to innovation driven path problem.If you don't change,In these areas in guangdong by someone more than you will never catch up with,If changed,Even if being beyond,Still can catch up with.

　　我个人觉得，广东的发展，佛山有代表性，佛山如果转型成功，对广东有示范意义，所以我们应该率先来转。

Personally, I think,The development of guangdong,Foshan representative,Foshan if the transformation is successful,In guangdong have a demonstration significance,So we should take the lead in turn to.

　

　●谈环境保护 When talk about environmental protection

　　治灰霾或应排在经济发展之前 For ash haze or should be prior to the development of economy

　　“起码要渐渐地让指标越来越好看，让大家感觉到空气越来越好。这个事情要做不好的话，我们就是失职。” "At least let indicators gradually more and more beautiful,Let you feel the air is getting better and better.The bad things to do,We would be remiss."

　　新快报：近段时间雾霾天气肆虐全国，佛山也出现了比较严重的雾霾天，您怎样看待经济发展和环境保护的关系？

New letters:Nearly period of time the fog haze weather in the country,Foshan have appeared in the serious fog haze days,How do you think about the relationship of economic development and environmental protection?

　　刘悦伦：我承认佛山在灰霾问题上仍然问题严重。其实佛山前几年的领导都意识到了，并采取了有利措施，把几百家的污染企业关停并转，不承认这点是不公平的。

LiuYueLun:I admit that foshan on the ash haze problems are still serious problems.Actually, foshan leaders are aware of a few years ago,And take the favorable measures,The hundreds of polluting enterprises shut down and go,Don't admit it is not fair.

　　但现在在全省来说，佛山仍然PM2.5最严重的地区之一。今年我们开春第一件事情又是讲环保，把治气放在最重要的位置，我们要花更大的力度，甚至要以壮士断臂的勇气来抓环保。

But now is in the whole province,Foshan is one of the most serious region of PM2.5.This year we have spring is the first thing is about environmental protection,The gas in one of the most important position,It will take us more strength,Even with strong man brokeback courage to environmental protection.

　　经济发展和治理大气通常应该是摆在一起，同等重要，目前这个阶段上，我认为可能治理灰霾应该排在经济发展之前，我不敢说一下就能治好，但是会刻不容缓、扎扎实实去做。起码要渐渐地让指标越来越好看，让大家感觉到空气越来越好。这个事情要做不好的话，我们就是失职。

Economic development and the control air is usually should be together,Is as important as,At this stage,I think may be governance grey haze should be prior to the development of economy,I dare not say it can be cured,But will be urgent/Required to do.At least let indicators gradually more and more beautiful,Let you feel the air is getting better and better.The bad things to do,We would be remiss.