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2013搜狐高考论坛:《招办主任指导志愿填报》--亲稳网络舆情监控室(3)
2013-05-17
韩经【北京科技大学招生就业处处长】: Korea via[Beijing science and technology university admissions, division director]:根据不同学校层次来判断,原来家长多少分进什么学校,分数比较高再去稍微低一点的学校选适合的专业,现在家长这种观念还是在变化,这是第一。第二,学校为学生提供的平台越来越宽泛,本科毕业之后出国的机会比原来大的多,不像我们那会儿大学一毕业就从事相关的学习专业找工作。第三,大学期间转专业这种机会也很多,我们大一学年末、大二学年末提供两次转专业的机会。条件很简单,在校期间没有出现不及格就可以申请,当时出台这个政策有点担心,会不会不太热的专业会被边缘化,运作几年来没有出现这种情况。转成功的比例大概85%以上,而且我们对于转专业不允许设任何限制,学生想转出,学院的老师没有任何阻碍的办法,同时转入一个专业没有达到你招生总计划的15%是无条件接的,大学给同学们提供这些平台还是宽泛得多。
According to the different school levels,How many points the original parents into the school,Higher scores to choose suitable professional slightly lower school,Parents now this kind of idea or change,This is the first.In the second,Schools to provide platform for more and more broad,Chance to go abroad after graduate is much bigger than the original,Don't like that moment just graduated from university we engaged in related study professional looking for a job.In the third,University during the turn this opportunity is very much also,We learn at the end of freshman year/At the end of sophomore learning provides two chances to turn professional.Condition is very simple,During the period of school does not appear fail can apply for,Was a bit worried about this policy,Will not too hot professional will be marginalized,Operating for several years did not appear this kind of situation.Turn the proportion of successful about 85% above,And we don't allow to turn professional set any restriction,Students want to go out,College teacher without any obstacles,At the same time turns into a major don't meet your admission is unconditional pick up 15% of the total plan,University provides students with the platform is much broader.
赵京【计桥高考志愿研究院院长、志愿填报专家】: Zhao jing[The university entrance exam volunteer dean meter bridge/Volunteer experts is allowed]:三位老师说学校的特色,我听了总结成三点。想学基础的学生能够往基础方面去发展把基础打好,还有一部分如果想实际和理论结合的可以参加卓越工程师计划,提供了很多的出国机会。再加上各种转专业的机会,学生进到一所大学里面有很多能够适合自己发展的平台。很多学生都是在纠结是选学校还是选专业,有时候受报考模式的限制,不太可能按自己的方式去走。在我接触的很多学生中问一个学生比较明确的特色,比如他的物理比较好或者某一方面比较好,今天我接触一个天津的学生,他物理实验做得非常好,这个学生最终可能会进北京科技大学,参加自主招生拿到加分成绩也不错,非常明确。有一部分学生没有特别显示出来的爱好,对他来说选择材料科学还是选择通信工程或者选择应用物理,对他们来说其实可能没有太多的区别,这个时候努力进一个比较好的学校,到一个好的氛围里面学习还是一个不错的选择。另外不得不承认像三位老师所在的学校都是全国知名的学校,学生进入这样的学校本身就是一个很好的学习环境,对他人格的培养是特别好的。我肯定鼓励学生进这样好的学校范围进行选择,如果专业不合适的话可以转专业,并不一定是你最喜欢的专业,但是视野开阔,比很多学生动不动去复读好的多。去学校里面利用这样的平台,打造更适合自己的平台,专业不合适通过辅修实现自己事业的发展,可能是更好的一种结合。
Three teachers said the school's characteristics,I listened to the summarized into three points.Want to learn the basic of students can go to infrastructure development the foundation,Part of this if you want to practice and theory combining can attend outstanding engineers plan,Provides a lot of chance to going abroad.Combined with all kinds of professional opportunities,Students into a university there are many able to suitable development platform.Many students are struggling with is to choose school and major,Sometimes restricted by enter oneself for an examination mode,Is unlikely to go their own way to.In my contact with a lot of students ask a student comparatively clear characteristics,Such as his physical is better or better one,Today I contact a student of tianjin,He physical experiment is done very well,The student may eventually into Beijing university of science and technology,In the independent recruitment of students to get the points,Is very clear.Some students have no special hobby show,For him to choose material science or communication engineering or applied physics,Actually may not be too much difference for them,At this time of effort into a good school,To a good atmosphere of learning is a good choice.Also have to admit that as three teachers in the schools are well-known throughout the country,Students enter the school itself is a very good learning environment,The cultivation of personality is very good for him.I must encourage students into range to choose such a good school,If the professional is not appropriate to turn professional,Is not necessarily your favorite professional,But the vision,Always reply to much better than many students.To use such a platform in the school,Create more suitable for your platform,Inappropriate professional through minor realize their career development,May be a better one.
丁珊【长安大学招生处处长】: Ding Shan[Commissioner of chang 'an university admissions]:在选专业还是选学校在于学生的情况,一个学生对自己的兴趣倾向特别清楚,他的能力特长也很突出的话当然是专业优先。如果准备本科生毕业以后准备就业,这个专业也还是比较重要的。如果想继续深造,继续读研读博士,专业当然不一定是特别重要。现在考研跨专业的比较多,而且跨专业也有跨专业的优势。另外很多学校有调专业的政策,对学生在选择专业选择学校方面压力不像过去那么大了。刚才提到兴趣能力倾向,这是非常重要的,一个人如果能够一辈子学习或者从事自己喜欢的擅长的专业或者工作,那将是很幸福的一件事情。而且投入和产出之间,消耗的能量是比较少的,和别人付出同样的精力很容易取得比较好的成绩。从这个角度来讲,我似乎是更倾向于专业选择。
In choose major or choose schools is that students' situation,One of the students for their interests tend to be particularly clear,He makes a good ability of specialty highlight words are, of course, major is preferred.If ready to undergraduate students for employment after graduation,This major is important too.If you want to continue their education,Continue reading study, Dr,Professional, of course, not necessarily is particularly important.Now one's deceased father grind more cross major,And cross major also has the advantage of cross major.In addition a lot of schools have professional policy,To choose students in choosing a professional school stress isn't as big as in the past.Just mentioned interest aptitude,This is very important,If a person can be a lifetime learning or engaged in their favorite good at professional or work,It will be a very happy one thing.And between the input and output,Energy consumption is less,Put the same effort and others are easy to get good grades.From this perspective,I seem to be more inclined to professional choice.
史贞军【北京交通大学招生就业副处长】: Shi Zhenjun[, deputy director of Beijing jiaotong university recruitment of students employment]:非常同意前三位老师的观点,我谈谈我的理解,这个问题是一个老生常谈的问题,每年都会涉及到,每个学生都会涉及到。高考填报志愿填的是什么?你高考志愿很多批次的变化很多都得变,本科这块的结构就是学校加上专业,先什么后什么实际上是在一个比重的问题,两方面都得考虑,只不过哪个考虑的稍微多一点。现在真正变化比较大的像北京的高职,它的志愿调整比较大,一个学校加一个专业,因为是高等职业教育,这个是比较大的变化。如果学生有某方面专业兴趣,并且能够确认自己这个兴趣有长远规划包括职业发展规划,应该在学校专业相结合的情况下优先多考虑一些专业,要符合这个专业兴趣,少走一些弯路,让它一直这样发展最好。如果说规划没有,但是有点兴趣,确实要确认一下看看兴趣到底是什么样的,有的学生可能只是了解某一个片面的兴趣,在填报志愿中要好好了解一下,如果把自己的兴趣无限扩大化觉得自己很有兴趣,但是学起来之后发现不是他理解的,要加深一个确认的过程。对这方面没有特别兴趣想法的学生也有两种情况,一种在性格特点别人通过赵老师这样的专家或者父母观察,应该适当回避他的短处适当发挥长处,他说不出自己的兴趣爱好我们遇到这样的学生。还有一种实在什么都没得选,综合起来可能学校专业相结合,学校有更好的舞台,更著名的学校或者实力更强的学校,会给他更多的机会。
Very agree with three former teachers,I talk about my understanding,This problem is an age-old question,Involved in every year,Each student will be involved.The college entrance examination application fill in what?You volunteer many changes from batch to batch in the college entrance examination have to change a lot,Is the school and professional undergraduate course of the structure,What before what is actually in a proportion of the problem,Both have to consider,Which consider just a little bit more.Now the real change is big like Beijing higher vocational education,It's voluntary adjustment is larger,A school with a professional,Because it is higher vocational education,This is a big change.If students have something professional interest,And be able to confirm the interest has a long-term planning including their career development plan,Should be professional with the combination of circumstances in school priority consider some more professional,In accordance with the professional interest,Little take some detours,It has been developing so best.If the planning is not,But a little interest,Really want to confirm and see what is interest,Some students may just understand a one-sided interests,In the application to have a good look at,If your interest is infinite expansion felt very interested,But later found not his understanding,To deepen a verification process.Interest in this respect there is no special ideas of students also have two cases,A character by miss zhao such experts or parents observe others,Should be appropriate to avoid his shortcomings appropriate strengths into full play,He could not say their own interests and hobbies we have such a student.There is also a really what all don't have to choose,Combination may be combining school professional,The school has a better stage,More famous schools or power stronger,Will give him more chances.
丁珊【长安大学招生处处长】: Ding Shan[Commissioner of chang 'an university admissions]:说到专业和学院,我希望给广大的考生和家长一些建议,在中学生阶段特别在我们这种教育体制下中学生没有更多的时间精力发展自己的业余爱好,可能对自己的兴趣不了解,确实让他在选专业方面比较困难。兴趣是一方面,但是能力倾向也很重要,有一些个性特征、能力倾向适合做某一类工作,有的不适合。建议老师家长能够带着孩子到一些专业的机构做一下职业倾向测试,有很多这样的专业机构,还是非常必要的。教育部要求高等学校对学生进行职业生涯规划指导,应该放在高中比如高二的时候就应该做这样的测试。我当时给我的孩子做过这样的指导,我原来搞心理学专业,包括给一些学生或者亲戚朋友的孩子做这样的指导,他们在后来的学习生涯职业生涯中确实感到驾轻就熟。我强烈建议大家做一些专业的测试。
When it comes to professional and college,I want to give the students and parents some Suggestions,In the high school stage special in our this kind of education system of middle school students don't have more time energy to develop their own hobbies,May do not understand your interest,Let him in the aspect of choosing major is hard indeed.The interest is on the one hand,But the growing ability is also very important,There are some personality traits/Aptitude for one type of job,Some are not suitable for.The teacher suggested that parents can take their children to some professional institutions do a vocational tendency test,There are a lot of such professional bodies,Is very necessary.The ministry of education requires institutions of higher learning career planning guidance to students,Should be like when I was sophomore in high school should do such a test.I had done such guidance for my children,I used to make professional psychology,Including some students or friends or relatives to children do such guidance,Their learning career in later career do feel become adept.I strongly suggest you do some professional test.
韩经【北京科技大学招生就业处处长】: Korea via[Beijing science and technology university admissions, division director]:我们在咨询过程当中家长的小孩看不出来什么,没有什么特别想学的,也没有什么特别不想学的,如果做一个合格的考生家长,你关心多少分进学校,这个家长关注得很多,还是应该关注孩子到底适合学工科还是学理科还是学商科还是学法,大概得有一个判断。
We look not to come out in the consultation process of parents of children,There is nothing special I want to learn,Also no special don't want to learn,If a qualified parents do,How many points you are concerned about in school,The parents attention a lot,Still should pay attention to children for study engineering or science or business or method,Probably have a judgment.
赵京【计桥高考志愿研究院院长、志愿填报专家】: Zhao jing[The university entrance exam volunteer dean meter bridge/Volunteer experts is allowed]:学生一个是不知道有什么东西,他自己选非常困难,到了考试的时候不可能在高考前拿出一个月的时间学进去那么多东西,从高一高二开始慢慢,我知道北京交大附中这些方面搞得比较早,学生高一高二请各方面的人给他们讲讲,请各方面的学生家长,比如你搞建筑的来讲建筑这个行业是做什么的,你是搞电子的讲电子。学校这个月有一个模拟学校,让学生在高一高二不是特别紧张的时候了解到一些专业,可以有选择的在高一高二发展自己的特色,到高三就没有那么难了。这几年光完成学习,学生不知道是哪个专业更合适。
Student a is don't know what things,He is very difficult to choose,When the test could not take a month before the college entrance examination's time to learn so many things,From the high school began to slowly,I know that these aspects of the affiliated high school of Beijing jiaotong university earlier,Students in higher school in terms of people, please tell them about,Please all aspects of the students' parents,Such as you are involved in the construction the construction industry is doing,You are to speak of electronic.The school has a simulated school this month,Let the students in higher school is not so nervous when learned some professional,Can have a choice in the high school develop their own characteristics,It is not so difficult to three.A few time to complete this study,The students don't know which major is more suitable.
丁珊【长安大学招生处处长】: Ding Shan[Commissioner of chang 'an university admissions]:选专业的功课的最后一个月太晚了,应该提前到高二。
Choose the professional lessons too late last month,Should be brought forward to high school.
赵京【计桥高考志愿研究院院长、志愿填报专家】: Zhao jing[The university entrance exam volunteer dean meter bridge/Volunteer experts is allowed]:我没有看到哪个学校把这个作为一个特别大的事来做,都是一些老师来组织这样的活动。交大附中做得是比较好的。
Which school I didn't see this as a particularly big thing to do,Are some teachers to organize the activities.The affiliated high school of jiaotong university is doing better.
史贞军【北京交通大学招生就业副处长】: Shi Zhenjun[, deputy director of Beijing jiaotong university recruitment of students employment]:北京交大附中专门成立了一个类似于毕业生职业指导中心这么一个机构,由一个副校长专门挂帅面向高年级的输送,低年级的学生的兴趣规范培养。
The affiliated high school of Beijing jiaotong university set up a similar to the graduate career guidance center so an institution,By a spearhead of vice President of special delivery for higher grades,Interest specification to cultivate junior students.
搜狐教育主持人: Sohu education host:选专业的时候应当还是注重学生的兴趣爱好,在中学阶段就应该加强学生对于专业方面的认知。说完选专业再说一下选大学,在选择大学的时候需要综合考量哪几点因素,既可以使自己的志愿报的稳又能够充分利用自己的高考分数?
Choose professional should still pay attention to students' interests,Should strengthen the middle school students for the professional aspects of cognition.Say that finish choose professional again choose the university,When selecting a university which requires comprehensive considerations several factors,Can make your own volunteer to stable and able to make full use of their own college entrance examination scores?
赵京【计桥高考志愿研究院院长、志愿填报专家】: Zhao jing[The university entrance exam volunteer dean meter bridge/Volunteer experts is allowed]:回到刚才的问题,很多家长希望去到好点的学校。既然学生确立好自己大概想学的专业,肯定往这个学校的优势专业走是最好的,北京的孩子不愿意离开北京,上海的孩子不愿意离开上海,他们错过了很多机会,全国有很多院校在各个方面的优势不一样,比如北交大的材料专业也是非常有特色的,学材料既可以去上海交大也可以来北交大来学,应该把这些东西了解清楚。分数是比较次要的东西,第一点应该看孩子适合哪个学校哪个专业,你追求的目标是什么,是追求就业还是进一步深造,都没有错误。家庭条件相对中等愿意早就业,选一个专业到咱们学校来,比较好的解决就业问题,就不必在意我这个分数一定能上某某大学,完全没有必要。在分数上应该放的低一些,不能因为分高就不能够去分低的学校。把自己的规划做好再看分够不够,如果分不够只好选择下一个更好的地方。
Back to the problem,Many parents want to go to school.Now that students establish yourself probably want to learn the professional,The school advantage majors must go is the best,Children don't want to leave Beijing,Children don't want to leave Shanghai in Shanghai,They missed a lot of opportunities,There are a lot of colleges and universities in all aspects of advantage is not the same,Such as north jiaotong university materials professional is also very distinctive,Learning materials can go to Shanghai jiaotong university can also to north jiaotong university to learn,Should know these things.Scores are relatively minor things,The first point which should be suitable for the children which professional school,What is your goal,Is the pursuit of employment or further study,Are there are no mistakes.Relatively moderate prefer jobs early family conditions,Choose a professional to come to our school,Better solve the employment problem,Don't need to care about me this score will be able to XXX university,No need to.On the score should be lower,Can't because of the low points work will not be able to go to school.Do their own planning well see points enough,If the points is not enough so we have to choose a better place.
丁珊【长安大学招生处处长】: Ding Shan[Commissioner of chang 'an university admissions]:学生在选学校的时候首先要对自己有一个清醒的认知,了解自己的学业水平,给自己一个准确的定位,不要盲目选择所谓的好学校。适合自己是很重要的,这是第一点。第二点,对于你的目标学校必须有一些了解,了解这个学校近三年来提档分的最低线和平均分,学校的位置在各个省份定位仪下,知己知彼这也是很重要的。还有一点刚才老师说到有关地区的问题,理性一些,确实很多学生都愿意到北京、上海还有经济发达的地区去求学去生活工作,这是能理解的,我们国家各个方面确实存在着地区差异。但是确实存在另外一个方面的问题,在同批次的学校中,如果处在地域优势的学校分数相应也高,相反如果处在不具优势的地域比如像西安、东北、西北这些地区,有一些层次还是比较高的学校,但是因为地域因素,录取分数线比优势地域的分数线低。从性价比来看,不要把地域看的太重的话可能还能够选到一个很好的学校和专业。另外对于北京、上海经济发达地区的孩子,我们到另外一个文化背景到另外一个地区有过一段学习和生活的经历是好的,将来我们愿意就业回来还是可以回来,有机会在年轻的时候到外面走一走也是很好的事情。
Students in the school of choice will first have a clear cognition about themselves,Know your academic level,Give yourself a accurate positioning,Do not blindly choose the so-called good school.Suitable for yourself is very important,This is the first point.The second point,School must have some idea about your goal,Know this school for nearly three years to shift points divide the lowest line of peace,The location of the school in the provinces under the locator,Whilst it is also very important.It is also the teacher said just now to the question on the region,Some reason,Do a lot of students are willing to to Beijing/Shanghai and economically developed areas to study to live and work,This is can understand,All aspects of our country exists regional differences.But there is another problem,In the same batch of the school,If in the geographical advantages of the school score is high accordingly,If is not dominant region like xi 'an/The northeast/The northwest,There are some level or a higher school,But because of geographical factors,Admit fractional line is lower than advantage geographical fractional line.From the point of performance to price ratio,Don't put too much weight on regional words may be able to choose a good school and professional.In addition to Beijing/Shanghai economy developed areas of children,We went to another cultural background to another region for a period of study and life experience is good,We are willing to back jobs or can come back in the future,Chance at a young age to take a walk outside also is very good things.
史贞军【北京交通大学招生就业副处长】: Shi Zhenjun[, deputy director of Beijing jiaotong university recruitment of students employment]:实际上这个问题是刚才的问题的延续,怎么样可能会更稳?赵京老师说的,没必要因为觉得自己分高就不想报那些觉得分低的学校。我用之前在别的地方咨询的一个说法,没必要非要把我自己的高考分数充分用足,有时候未必是这样。他不去想用得那么足,稳就可以做到了。这里面稳不稳又分不同情况,现在全国大多数地区一志愿采取平行的方式,报志愿侧重于平行志愿的ABCD几个院校志愿分数适当拉开,前面讨论那个问题选学校选专业相结合这些点,有一个很好的组合,会是一个比较稳的志愿。北京一志愿占绝大部分的比重,这个稳多数情况还是放在一志愿,高考志愿第一想去这个,而不能把希望过多寄于二志愿上面,重点在一志愿上面。自己留有余地,不用用足。
In fact the problem is just the problem,May be more stable?Zhao jing, the teacher said,Because there is no need to feel low points work don't want to those who feel that the school.I used somewhere else before consulting a saying,No need to put my own college entrance examination scores with the full foot,Sometimes it's not necessarily the case.He didn't go to want to use it,Stability can be achieved.The unsteady and steady point in different situation,Now is a volunteer parallel ways most parts of the country,Submitted to the volunteer on parallel volunteer ABCD several colleges and universities volunteer points right away,Previously discussed that problem to choose the school professional combination of these points,Have a very good combination,Will be a comparison of stability in the volunteer.A volunteer of Beijing accounted for the vast majority of proportion,The stability for the most part is still in a volunteer,The university entrance exam first want to go to the volunteer,And can't send too much hope in two volunteer,Focus on a volunteer.His leave room,Don't have to use the foot.
我再补充别的方面,除了了解自己定位了解学校的情况之外,还有一个大的环境情况,比如考生人数的变化会不会对前面的判断有什么影响。招生计划数量的变化也会影响原来预估自己对原来学校的判断,还有题目难易程度,题目难易程度有很大变化的话,有一年陕西高考的时候题目很难,陕西那时候是估分报志愿估的分不准,自己的位置也拿不太准,那一年导致北京好几个学校分数线很低,以为北京会高,觉得自己分低,当地的学校周边学校的招生计划多会稳一点往那儿报,没考虑到题目难易结果和最后结果的匹配程度。我印象大概是07年题目难易变化对学生填志愿影响大,这时候也要适当考虑。还有一个院校的大小年怎么判断,并不一定是大年后面就是小年。前一段时间一个学生咨询,之前三年一年大年一年小年,结果12年是比11年还要低的小年。
I add other aspects,In addition to know itself know school,There is a big environment,Will change in the number of such as candidates for the previous to judge what effect.Enrollment plan number changes will also affect the original forecast our judgment on the original school,There are questions,Subject to have the very big change,Have a year of shaanxi province college entrance examination when the topic is difficult,Shaanxi is estimated at that time to volunteer for points,Your place also take not too accurate,That year in Beijing several school fractional line is very low,Think Beijing will be high,Feel low,Local school nearby schools where the enrollment plan at steady point,Not considering the topic difficulty degree of match results and the final results.I was about 7 years subject easy to fill volunteer students,Should also be appropriate to consider at this moment.There is also a college DaXiaoNian how to judge,Is not necessarily is off-year danian behind.Some time ago a student counseling,Before three years off year year year year,Results 12 years off year is lower than 11 years.
赵京【计桥高考志愿研究院院长、志愿填报专家】: Zhao jing[The university entrance exam volunteer dean meter bridge/Volunteer experts is allowed]:我们之前说选专业适合学生发展其实变得更难了,北京的报考方式更难一些,但是对学生来说其实在这方面会更如意一些,更会瞄准一些学校,大分数的学生选择长安大学的优势专业,分就会比学校往年的提档线高出三四十分没什么风险,选择科技大学的材料专业没有什么大风险,更适合职业规划。我想学我适合的专业,报考技巧每个家长都要认真去学习,大小年的判断对一般的家长不太容易把握好。
We said before actually became harder to choose major is suitable for students' development,Beijing harder to enter oneself for an examination way,But for students in this aspect will be more satisfied,Will aim at some schools,Large fraction of students choose the advantage of chang 'an university,Points will be higher than the school normal DiDangXian three or four very little risk,Professional choice of university of science and technology material there is no big risk,More suitable for career planning.I want to learn the major that I fit,Every parents to enter oneself for an examination skills to learn carefully,DaXiaoNian judgment on general parent is not easy to grasp.
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