受访嘉宾：

Of guests：

　　王烽：国家教育发展研究中心教育体制改革研究室副主任

WangFeng：National education development research center, deputy director of the laboratory education system reform

　　王洪才：中国高等教育学理论研究会副理事长

WangHongCai：China's higher education theory research institute vice President

　　施晓光：北京大学教育学院副教授、教育学博士

ShiXiaoGuang：Beijing university institute of education associate professor、Dr pedagogy

　　问：据了解，2012年国家计划公派出国的人数为1.6万人，而到2015年将达2.5万人。国家是在什么样的背景下决定增加公派留学人数的？

ask：It is understood，In 2012 the number of state planning began to go abroad for 16000 people，By 2015 will reach to 25000 people。What country is on the background of the uniersity decided to increase the number of study abroad？

　　施晓光：留学教育是高等教育的重要组成部分，是高等教育国际化的重要指标之一。新中国成立后，尤其是改革开放以来，中国政府十分重视选派优秀科技和人文学者到世界发达国家的一流大学进修学习。这些人留学结束后，90%以上的人都按期回国服务，对我国社会主义建设事业做出了巨大贡献。

ShiXiaoGuang：Study abroad education is an important part of higher education，The internationalization of higher education is one of the important indexes of。After the founding of，Especially since the reform and opening up，The Chinese government attaches great importance to select the outstanding scientific and technological and the humanities scholars to developed countries of the world first-class university for further study。These people after the study abroad，More than 90% of the people are on schedule home service，To our country socialist construction and made great contributions to the cause。

　　王洪才：国家对自主创新能力培养高度重视。为实现从粗放型发展战略到集约化发展战略的转变，必须从提升核心竞争力出发，而自主创新能力是核心竞争力的关键。同时我们已经认识到国内高校在培养人才的创新能力方面存在体制性的缺陷，在此情况下，大量派遣留学生是快速弥补创新能力培养不足的捷径。基于这样的现实和动机，国家增加了公派留学生的数量。另外，经济发展也为大量派遣留学生提供了物质条件。

WangHongCai：Country to independent innovation ability training attaches great importance to。To realize the development strategy of from extensive to intensive development strategy of the transformation，From start to improve the core competence，And the ability of independent innovation is the core competitiveness of the key。At the same time we have to recognize the universities in the cultivation of the talent innovation ability of the existing institutional defects，In this case，A large number of sending the students is quick make up for the lack of training the innovation ability of shortcuts。Based on the reality and motivation，Countries increased public school in the number of international students。In addition，Economic development is also a large number of sending the students to provide the material conditions。

　　问：国家增加公派留学的人数，对国家的建设及教育体制的变革有何意义？对有意愿申请出国留学的学子来说，又有何意义？

ask：Increase the number of countries began to study abroad，For the country's construction and the education system reform have he yiyi？To intend to apply for study abroad students speaking，What meaning？

　　王洪才：派遣留学生仍然是权宜之计，要真正提高创新人才的培养能力还必须立足于我国自己的高校。而让我国高校自己摸索培养创新人才的路径比较困难。在此情况下，大量的留学生学成归国并出任大学教师，可以把国外的先进经验带回来，从而推进我国创新人才培养计划的落实。

WangHongCai：Sending the students is still expedient，To really improve the cultivation of innovation talents ability must be based on our own university。And let our country university oneself fumble of training innovative talents is difficult path。In this case，A lot of students learn homecoming and a university teacher，Can the foreign advanced experience brought back，To promote China's innovation personnel training plan to carry out the。

　　施晓光：国家增加公派留学人数与我国经济发展有着密切的关系。随着国家教育经费的增加，以及高等教育规模的扩大，我国已成为留学教育最大的输出国。在未来，我国自费留学人数仍将增加，相应地公派人数也会增加，所以从1.6万人增加到2.5万人并没有特别的意义。

ShiXiaoGuang：Increase the number of countries began to study abroad and China's economic development has a close relationship。With the increase of the national education funds，And higher education of the enlargement of scale，China has become the largest exporter education study。In the future，Study abroad at one's own expenses in our country the number will increase，Correspondingly will also increase the number of Mr，So rose from 16000 to 25000 and no special significance。

　　王烽：9000人是一个不小的增幅。这是所有有志出国留学的学子的福音，因为他们将有更多被公派出国的机会。特别是对于一些家庭不太富裕的学子来说，更是给了他们更多圆梦的可能。

WangFeng：9000 is a lot of growth。This is all interested in study abroad students Gospel，Because they will have more chance to go abroad by Mr。Especially for some families don't too rich for students，Is given to their dreams more possible。

　　问：我们注意到，目前国家公派留学的资助项目比较偏向理工科，在您看来为什么会这样？在接下来增加公派留学生专业及项目的选择时，是否应该增加人文社会科学类的人数？

ask：We note that，At present the country study in uniersity funded projects of science and engineering preferred，In your opinion why should that be？In the next increase public school students professional, and the project when the choice，Whether should increase the number of humanities and social science class？

　　王烽：我个人认为，国家拿出经费来资助出国留学，是从国家人才战略出发考虑的。要适应经济社会发展、科学技术发展等重点领域、主战场的需求，有计划地派出留学生，这超出文科、理科的概念理解。当然，文科也存在这样一些领域，随着派出总量的增加，文科人数也会随之增加。

WangFeng：Personally, I think，Countries spend the money to fund study abroad，Starting from national talent strategy of consideration。In order to adapt to economic and social development、Science and technology development of key areas、Main battlefield demand，Sending students in a planned way，It's beyond arts、The concept of science to understand。Of course，Liberal arts there are also such fields，With the increase of the total sent，The number of liberal arts will also be increased。

　　王洪才：偏重理工科有现实的考虑，也有制度的考虑。从现实的角度说，理工科学习更容易见效，而人文社会科学比较复杂，学习不易见效。从制度方面说，自然科学受体制影响比较小。

WangHongCai：Emphasis on science and engineering practical consideration，Also have system consideration。From the Angle of realistic said，Science learning easier to act，And the humanities and social science is more complex，Learning is not easy to act。From the system says，Natural science is a comparatively small impact system。

　　未来必然要加大对人文社会科学留学生的派遣力度。因为社会发展不仅需要理工科人才，也需要人文社会科学人才。而且社会越发展，对人文社会科学方面的人才需求就越强烈。

The future is bound to strengthen the humanities and social science students send strength。For social development needs not only science and engineering talents，Also need to humanities and social science talents。And the social development，To humanities and social science talent demand is strong。

　　问：在日后国家公派留学工作的过程中，应该注意哪些问题？

ask：In the future study abroad countries began the process of work，What problem should be paid attention to？

　　王洪才：目前国家在公派留学方面还存在重形式审查轻实质审查、重派出不重管理的情况，这影响到派出的实际效果。比如出国外语培训的形式意义大于实质意义，可以考虑取消。

WangHongCai：At present the country in the public school to study abroad, there are heavy form review light examination as to substance、Heavy sent not heavy management，This affects the actual effect。Go abroad such as foreign language training form of significance is greater than the substantial meaning，Can consider to cancel。

　　王烽：公派留学生人数的增加，必然带来管理和服务难度的增加。中国是一个正在崛起的大国，面临的国际环境非常复杂，要从战略高度谋划出国留学生的选拔、管理和服务工作。

WangFeng：Mr Increase in the number of international students，Management and service will bring the increase of the difficulty。China is a rising powers，Facing international environment is very complex，From the strategic plan of the students abroad selection、Management and service work。