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对话国考专家:仅限本科生不代表研究生机会变少--亲稳网络舆情监控室
2012-10-19

  新华网记者 姜春媛

Xinhuanet reporter JiangChunYuan

  2013年国家公务员考试15日开始报名,经过第一天的“沉静”后,16日,国考报名迎来一个“小高潮”,据中公教育国家公务员考试数据研究中心的数据显示,截至10月16日16时,审核通过人数为已有73322人,相比15日16时的数据6299人,上升了67023,一日之内,审核通过上升近7万。对于今年的国考,网友关注哪些问题,业界专家又是如何解析的?新华网记者日前就此采访了中公教育、光华教育等长期专注公务员考试研究辅导机构以及南京大学教育政策与领导研究所的有关专家。

In 2013 the national civil servant exam 15 to begin to sign up,After the first day"calm"after,16,Countries sign up usher in a test"Small high tide",According to the public education in the national civil servant exam data research center data display,As of October 16, when 16,Audit through the number for more than 73322 people,Compared with 15, 16 when the data of 6299 people,Up 67023,One day,Audit through the rise of nearly 70000.For this year's kingdom exam,Net friend attention what problem,Industry experts is how to analysis?Xinhuanet reporter recently interviewed in the public education/Guanghua education and long-term focus on civil service examination research guidance institutions and nanjing university education policies and leadership institute of experts.

  

【网友“聚”点】部分职位“仅限本科生”,研究生机会变少了? [Net friend"together"point]Part position"Only for undergraduate",Graduate students have less chance?

  “3年前,我本科毕业时,报考公务员,不少岗位要求都是硕士,现在硕士快毕业了,再报考公务员,却告诉我有的岗位硕士不能报考了,只要本科。哎,难道让我‘穿越’回本科吗?”某论坛上,网友“男大当婚”的一句抱怨引发了诸多网友的关注和讨论。

"Three years ago,When I graduate,Enter oneself for an examination officeholder,A lot of post requirement is a master,Now master graduated from fast,To enter oneself for an examination officeholder,But tell me some post master cannot enter oneself for an examination the,As long as the undergraduate course.ah,Don't let me‘through’Back to undergraduate course??"A BBS on,Net friend"Only the lonely"A complain that caused many users to concern and discussion.

  这次国考中,有不少职位规定“仅限本科生报名”,记者粗略统计发现,本次招考的职位中,约有20%以上的职位明确要求“仅限本科”,而根据要求,研究生不得“自降身份”报考,这引发了诸多准备以研究生学历参加公务员考试的网友大呼“悲催”:“难道是“歧视”高学历人群?还是要给予本科学历考生更多的机会呢?”

This kingdom exceeded otherregions,There are many position regulation"Only for undergraduate student registration",Reporter found that roughly,The recruitment of the position,About 20% or more of the position is clear about the request"Only for undergraduate",And according to the requirements,Graduate students may not"Humbled himself"Enter oneself for an examination,This caused many prepared to graduate student degree participate in the civil service exam net friend big call"Sad reminder":"Is it"discrimination"educated?Or give bachelor's degree candidates more opportunities to it?"

  

【专家解析】拒绝高学历是个“伪”命题 [Expert analysis]Refuse to highly educated is a"pseudo"proposition

  部分职位明确要求“仅限本科生”,是否意味着硕士以上学历者的报考机会变少了呢?

Part of the position is clear about the request"Only for undergraduate",Does that mean the master degrees enter oneself for an examination opportunity less now?

  对此,中公教育公务员考试首席研究与辅导专家李永新介绍,对于“仅限本科生”这一规定,往年的描述是“本科生”,其实这两者是等同的。只有“本科及以上”的职位才表示研究生可以报考。“今年只是明确提出‘仅限’这两个字,但是往年其实也有这个要求,所以这方面并没有大的变化,也不能简单说研究生的机会就变少了。”

this,Public education in the civil service exam chief research and counseling experts LiYongXin is introduced,for"Only for undergraduate"The provisions,In previous years is described"undergraduate",In fact the two are equivalent.only"Bachelor degree or above"Position just said graduate student can enter oneself for an examination."This year is put forward‘Only for’The two words,But ever actually also have this requirement,So that there are no big changes,Also cannot simply said the graduate student's opportunity will become less."

  根据中公教育国家公务员考试数据研究中心从具体的职位分析情况看,硕士研究生能报考的职位主要包括:“本科或研究生(硕士)”、“本科及以上”、“研究生(硕士)、研究生(硕士)及以上”这几类,这几部分三年来的招考职位数据总和分别为:2011年6132个 、2012年6426个、2013年8446个。

According to the public education in the national civil servant exam data center from the specific job analysis case,Master graduate student can enter oneself for an examination position mainly includes:"Undergraduate or graduate(master)"/"Bachelor degree or above"/"Graduate student(master)/Graduate student(master)And above"This a few kinds,This a few part three years admit by examination position data respectively sum:In 2011, 6132 /In 2012, 6426/In 2013, 8446.

  “基本都占当年所招录职位总数的30%以上,而且今年还有大幅度增加。” 李永新指出,硕士学历的考生对此其实完全不用担心。尤其是在“本科或研究生”还有“本科及以上”这两类本科生也能报考的职位中,硕士生还有相当大优势存在。

"Basic are accounted for when he ZhaoLu position more than 30% of the total,And this year there are greatly increased." LiYongXin pointed out that,Master degree candidates actually completely don't have to worry about this.Especially in"Undergraduate or graduate"and"Bachelor degree or above"These two types of undergraduates can also enter oneself for an examination in the position,Master is still a big advantage exist.

  此外,李永新认为,虽然国考的主要招考群体还是集中在“本科”,但其实高学历人才的机会也在逐渐增多,尤其是对于博士研究生放宽年龄条件到40岁这样的条件,更是能够体现出招录机关对高学历人才的重视。

In addition,LiYongXin think,Although countries the main examination admit by examination group or focused on"Bachelor degree",But actually highly educated talents opportunities are also increase gradually,Especially for doctoral students relaxed age conditions to 40 years old such conditions,Is able to reflect the ZhaoLu organ of highly educated talents attention.

  

【网友“聚”点】今年为“史上最严”国考? [Net friend"together"point]This year for"The most severe in the history of"Countries take an examination of?

  在今年国家公务员招考简章职位表中,记者发现,过去的“大一统”式的以文凭为报考条件的岗位越来越少,有的职位附加说明长达3行;有的要求懂方言、限当地户籍;有英语证书、特定工作经历;有机动车驾驶证、有文艺特长等规定;而在有些招考岗位备注中,还专门注明了“需常年出差”、“经常夜班”、“国家级贫困县”等需求,对此,有网友称这是“史上最严”的公务员考试。

In this year the state civil servant recruitment brochure position in the table,Reporter discovery,The past"united"Type of diploma to enter oneself for an examination conditions post less and less,Some position additional instructions for up to three line;Some require them to understand dialect/Limit local census register;Have English certificate/Specific work experience;A motor vehicle driving license/Literature and art have special provisions, etc;And in some admit by examination posts in the note,Also specially marked"Need regular travel"/"Often night shift"/"State-level counties"Demand such as,this,Have net friend say this is"The most severe in the history of"Of the civil service examination.

  网友“小猫求收养”在北京一家公司工作四年了,今年她准备参加公务员考试,想考家乡海南省的职位,但在查阅职位表后,她发现,许多职位的要求变严格了。

Net friend"Kitten for adoption"A company in Beijing for four years,This year she was ready to participate in the civil service examinations,Want to take an examination of hainan province, home of the position,But in access to position after the table,She found,Many job requirements become strict.

  “印象中,国税局应该就是好福利、工作清闲的象征,但本次‘国考’却不是这样,就拿海南省国税局来说,在多个市县的职位中均注明‘省级艰苦边远地区,最低服务年限5年’的要求;又如中国海监南海总队要求‘适应海上和海岛生活’。总之,‘国家级贫困县’、‘欠发达地区’等字眼充斥其中。” 网友“小猫求收养”告诉记者。

"impression,The country tax bureau should be good welfare/Work at leisure of symbol,But the‘Countries take an examination of’Do not,Take the hainan province for the country tax bureau,In many cities and counties in the position are marked‘Provincial arduous remote areas,Minimum 5 years service life’requirements;And as China HaiJian nanhai corps requirements‘To adapt to the sea and island life’.In a word,‘State-level counties’/‘Less developed areas’The word is among them." Net friend"Kitten for adoption"Told reporters.

  

【专家解析】条件的严格,表明职位对考生的针对性增强 [Expert analysis]Strict conditions,Show that position to the examinee the corresponding enhancement

  国考真的变严了吗?这让许多习惯于“有文凭就能参加考试”的考生们心里顿感“拔凉拔凉”的。

Countries get really strict examination?It makes many accustomed to"A diploma can take an exam"Candidates at heart feeling"Pull pull cool cool"of.

  对此,光华教育公务员考试研究与培训中心教研总监王丰指出,招考条件的日趋严格,反映了招考工作的日渐成熟,表明职位条件对考生要求的日益明确和针对性的逐步加强。

this,Guanghua education civil service examination research and training center director of the research WangFeng pointed out,Admit by examination condition is strict,Reflects the recruitment work is mature day after day,Show that position to the examinee conditions required increasingly clear and specific strengthened gradually.

  “从公务员考试的特殊性来说,一旦考生通过考试,就要成为国家工作人员,这种工作身份对社会的影响重大,承担的社会的责任也更重要,因而,要求通过的考生必须能肩负起岗位职责。”王丰指出,所以职位要求的严格更有利于选拔优秀、适用的人才充实公职队伍,更好的发挥政府服务社会、便利民众的工作宗旨。

"From the civil service examination for the particularity of,Once the examinee to pass the exam,Will become state personnel,This kind of work status on the social effects of major,Assume social responsibility is more important,therefore,Requirements through the candidates must be able to shoulder responsibilities."WangFeng pointed out that,So the position requires strict more conducive to select outstanding/Applicable talents full office team,Better play to the government to serve the society/Convenient public work purposes.

  南京大学教育研究院教授、教育政策与领导研究所所长操太圣认为,从人力资源管理的角度来看,岗位设置对工作是非常重要的,它需要从组织或系统的角度进行全盘规划,需要从工作的具体需求进行岗位描述,因此,就需要将工作岗位的要求具体化为一些特定条件。“就此而言,今年职位表中的一些所谓‘史上最严’的规定,其实是人员招聘工作的基本工作,是岗位分析和设置工作的必要之举。”

Nanjing university education institute professor/Education policy and leadership institute director operation too holy think,From the point of view of human resources management,Post set to work is very important,It needs from the organization or the point of view of system for overall planning,Need to work from the concrete demand for job description,therefore,It needs to the requirements of the job specific into some specific conditions."For that matter,This year some of the so-called position table‘The most severe in the history of’regulations,It is the work of the staff recruitment basic work,Is the position analysis and setting up the work necessary for."

  

【网友“聚”点】为啥要对现役公务员限制服务期2年? [Net friend"together"point]Why to active civil servant limit service period 2 years?

  网友“没活动”是北京一名工作一年的基层公务员,他今年本想参加国家公务员考试的,目标是中央党群以及中央行政机关单位,但看了今年的招考简章却“傻了眼”,其中明确规定“从今年起,服务年限不满2年(含试用期)的公务员不得报考”。

Net friend"No activity"Beijing is a work a year of grass-roots civil servants,This year he wanted to participate in the national civil servant exam,Target is the central party and the central administrative authority unit,But see this year's recruitment but general rules"Silly eye",The specified"From this year,Length of service with 2 years(Contain the probation period)The civil servants must not enter oneself for an examination".

  “做这一限制是为了减少报考人数吗?今年的公务员招考还有哪些变化?”网友“生瓜子”的问题代表了许多网友内心的疑问。

"Do this restriction is to reduce the number of enter oneself for an examination?This year's recruitment of civil servants what change?"Net friend"Born melon seeds"Problem represents many netizens inner doubt.

  

【专家解析】体现了对个人负责和对社会负责的平衡与统一 [Expert analysis]Embodies the individual responsible and be responsible for the society's balanced and unified

  李永新分析指出,就今年公务员招考的整体情况看,有这样一些变化:

LiYongXin analysis,This year the whole situation of civil servant recruitment to see,Have such a few changes:

  首先,在招录计划中,省级以上岗位拿出12%,地市以下岗位拿出10%的职位定向招录“村官”“三支一扶”等四项目人员,相比去年仅强调了省级以上拿出10%的职位,范围扩大明显;其次,就是非常受到关注的一个问题:今年入职不满2年的在职公务员不能报考,也相比往年的一年时限有所增加,要求更严;再次,在今年所增加的招录职位和人数中,绝大多数是地市以下的基层职位。

First of all,In ZhaoLu plan,Post out of 12% at or above the provincial level,The following post cities took 10% of the position directional ZhaoLu"Village official""Three helped up"And so on four project personnel,Last year compared to only 10% at or above the provincial level emphasizes the out of position,Expanded significantly;secondly,Very attention is a problem:This appointment with 2 years of on-the-job officeholder cannot enter oneself for an examination,Also last year compared to the time limit increased,More strict requirements;again,This year the increase in ZhaoLu position and number of the,The vast majority of cities is the following basic position.

  整体来说,李永新认为,这样一些变化,折射出国家公务员招考越来越科学。 “引导考生,尤其是应届毕业生群体深入基层,一直都是招考部门的工作重点。经过几年的发展,这方面的政策和举措,已日渐科学规范。”

overall,LiYongXin think,So some changes,Reflects the national civil servant recruitment more and more scientific. "Guide the examinee,Especially the graduating student group goes down to the basic unit,Has been the focal point of work of the department admit by examination.After years of development,The policies and measures,Already more scientific and standardized."

  王丰指出,这些变化体现了招录政策一方面对基层工作经历的要求强化,另一方面也体现了对服务基层人员的倾斜,反映出国家引导和鼓励青年才俊去基层锻炼,积累社会阅历和工作经验,然后以更佳的状态服务社会。“政策基调的进一步明确和稳定,也为广大青年人如何踏好迈向社会的第一步给出了明确的导向与指引。“

WangFeng pointed out that,These changes reflect the ZhaoLu policy on the one hand to grass-roots work experience requirements reinforcement,On the other hand also reflected the grass-roots staff to service the tilt,Reflect national guide and encourage young talents to exercise at the grass-roots level,Accumulate social experience and work experience,Then by the better condition to serve the society."Policy fundamental key of further clear and stable,Also for the vast number of young people how to tread the first step towards good society gives clear orientation and guide."

  对于“在职公务员的报考条件限定”,王丰认为,虽然设定了限制性条件,但并未禁止,即满2年后还可以报考。一方面表明国家还是鼓励青年人追求上进,不断提升自己;另一方面也鼓励青年人尽可能扎根基层,以更稳定的状态服务基层社会和民众,积累更多的社会阅历和基层经验,再向上流动。“这体现了对个人负责和对社会负责的平衡与统一。”

for"On-the-job officeholder enter oneself for an examination conditions limit",WangFeng think,Although set restrictive conditions,But did not ban,Namely full two years later can also enter oneself for an examination.On the one hand show that country or encourage young people the pursuit of progress,Continuously improve their;On the other hand also encouraged young people take root as far as possible at the grass-roots level,With more stable state service grass-roots society and people,Accumulate more social experience and grass-roots experience,To flow up."This embodies the individual responsible and be responsible for the society's balanced and unified."

  最后,操太圣提醒考生,要清楚认识“公务员”的本质在于服务社会,绝非纵情享乐的“特权阶层”,要端正自己报考公务员的动机。“坚守岗位和做好本职工作是当公务员的基本条件,反映着一个人的工作伦理和基本诚信问题。”

finally,Fuck too holy remind candidates,Want to know"Civil servants"'s essence lies in social services,Not indulge in pleasure"Privilege class",To correct himself to enter oneself for an examination the motivation of civil servants."Hold your position and completes the labor of duty is when the basic condition of civil servants,Reflects a person's work ethics and the basic integrity problem."

  (来源:新华网)

(Sources: xinhua)



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