搜狐教育主持人许晓书（搜狐教育频道主编）： Sohu education host Xu Xiaoshu(, editor-in-chief of sohu education channel):刚才杨教授提到“功利”，很多大学都说自己缺钱，请储老师谈一谈，现在大学是否真的资金紧缺，或者资金分配有所不当？

Professor Yang mentioned just now"The utilitarian",Many universities have said he was short of money,Please store the teacher talk,Now university really a shortage of funds,Or allocation of funds have been improperly?

储朝晖（中国教育科学研究院研究员）： Store from zhaohui(China researcher at the institute of education science):现在大学的根本问题不是钱，我归纳成八个字：“杂乱无章、丢心失魂”。最近十几年我用了很多精力，做了很长时间的调查研究，最近写成一本书《理想大学》，还有一本《中国大学近代史》。

Now at the university of the fundamental problem is not money,I summed up to eight characters:"messy/Lost heart, lost souls".In recent years I spent a lot of energy,To do research for a long time,Recently wrote a book[The ideal university],There is a book[China's modern history at the university].

　　我着重讲一下大学精神。什么是大学精神？关于大学发展的价值趋向，及其内心的体现，这是我们做的逻辑界定。什么是大学精神的实质？大学精神的实质就是追求真理。中国古人讲大学之道，“道”跟真理概念不同，但是主要部分重合，包括天道和人道。中国现在的问题就是“丢心失魂”，主要是大学精神丢失了。

I mainly talk about the university spirit.University spirit is what?About the value of a university development trend,And the embodiment of the heart,This is what we are doing logic is defined.What is the essence of university spirit?The essence of university spirit is the pursuit of truth.The ancients speak university of China,"tao"Different from concept of truth,But the main part,Including of heaven and humanity.The question now is in China"Lost heart, lost souls",Mainly is the university spirit lost.

　　今天话题是谈“大师”，实际这个问题应该在根本上，而“大师”只是结果，根本问题是由于现代大学管理体制下，大学里只有做官、只有赚钱，没有真正的“学人”。什么是真正的“学人”？衡量一个人是不是真正的学人，基本尺度就是真理、就是道，用道从三个方面衡量：第一他的脑子里有没有真理的意识？如果没有，他没有学人的心性；第二他用道干什么？决定他是不是有大学“学人”的情怀，现在很多人嘴上说很多道，但是往往用它维护自己或少数群体的利益，这就把道用错地方，道必须大用不能小用；第三怎么处理道和势的问题？中国古代形成一个传统，尊道抑势，现在很多人用道不是规范权势，而是以权欺道。这三个方面构成大学里真正的问题，就是没有真正的“学人”，所以大学里不可能有大师、不可能有正确的价值方向。

Today's topic is talking about"The master",Actually this problem should be in the root,while"The master"Just the result,The fundamental problem is due to the modern university management system,Only a few in the university/Only to make money,There is no real"Economist intelligence unit".What is real"Economist intelligence unit"?Measure of a man isn't real economist,Basic criterion is truth/Is the word,Measured by road from three aspects:The first his brain have the awareness of truth?If there is no,He has no disposition of economist;The second he said?Decide whether or not he has a university"Economist intelligence unit"The feelings of,Now a lot of people say a lot,But often use it to maintain themselves or the interests of the minority groups,This is the word in the wrong place,Must use not little use;3 how to deal with the problem and potential?In ancient China formed a tradition,Taoism inhibitory potential,Now a lot of people use way is not normative power,But with right of deceit.These three aspects constitute the real problem in the university,Is not real"Economist intelligence unit",So there can be no master in the university/Impossible to have the correct value orientation.

搜狐教育主持人许晓书（搜狐教育频道主编）： Sohu education host Xu Xiaoshu(, editor-in-chief of sohu education channel):坐在旁边的这位从北大保安转身成为北大毕业生的甘相伟同学，在你心目中大学精神是什么？

Sitting beside the security from the north wei gan phase into Peking University graduates students,University spirit is in your heart?

甘相伟（从北大保安变为北大毕业生，《站着上北大》作者）： Wei gan phase(Security into the Peking University graduate from Peking University,[Standing with Peking University]The author):首先感谢搜狐教育。今天在座来了很多专家学者，也许我当年在北大西门站岗的时候也为你们开过门。

First of all thanked sohu education.Here today to a lot of experts and scholars,Maybe I was in the north west door is on guard to open the door for you.

　　我曾经在北大当保安，后来在北大读书，给我最直观的感受就是大学提供了很多讲座，北大每天有很多场，我常常乐此不疲，而大学精神就是自由。我理解的教育就是一个好的大学的校长或管理层，应该为学生提供更多的演讲，请很高水准的嘉宾给同学们做报告，让同学们在这里发现喜欢的专业、各方面的兴趣爱好。从我个人经验来看每个人都是独特的，每个人来到世界被赋予的责任都不一样。

I was once a security guard at Peking University,Then study in Peking University,Give me the most intuitive feelings is university offers many lectures,Every day there are a lot of games at Peking University,I used to,The university spirit is freedom.I understand that education is the principal or management of a good university,Should provide more speech to the students,Have a high level of guest do report to students,Let the students find here like professional/In terms of hobbies.Everyone from my personal experience is unique,Every man was given the responsibility of the world is not the same.

搜狐教育主持人许晓书（搜狐教育频道主编）： Sohu education host Xu Xiaoshu(, editor-in-chief of sohu education channel):在北大上学期间有没有遗憾？

At Peking University during the period of school do you have any regret?

甘相伟（从北大保安变为北大毕业生，《站着上北大》作者）： Wei gan phase(Security into the Peking University graduate from Peking University,[Standing with Peking University]The author):因为我先是当保安，后来才上学，可能比普通大学生更有针对性、更有目标感。一个在社会上走过的人，知道自己内心需要什么。我从小对中国古代诗词文学非常感兴趣，当我在北京奋斗，小时候读的“床前明月光”给了我很多灵感，滋养我的灵魂。我到北大以后，立刻从法律专业跳到汉语言专业，我不后悔这个选择，这条道路对我来说更有意义，因为我经历过从农村教室到北大课堂，很多酸甜苦辣都是很美好的。

Because I first when the security guard,Then I go to school,Can be more targeted than ordinary university students/More have a sense of purpose.A man walked in society,Know their inner need.I am very interested in Chinese ancient poetry literature since childhood,When I was in Beijing,When I was a child to read"Before my bed a pool of night"Give me a lot of inspiration,Nourish my soul.After I go to the north,Immediately from a legal professional to Chinese language,I don't regret the choice,This way makes more sense to me,Because I experience from classroom to classroom of Peking University in the countryside,Many suantiankula all is very good.