独家专访伦敦金融城候任市长吉福德 Exclusive interview in the city HouRen sixty mayor

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　　“你怎么看待中国羽毛球女双被处罚？”专访进行到一半，伦敦金融城候任市长罗杰·吉福德（Roger Gifford）反客为主，发问《第一财经日报》记者。

“What do you think of China badminton women's doubles be punished？”Halfway through the interview，The city of London HouRen mayor Roger sixty（Roger Gifford）"，Asking questions《The first financial daily》reporter。

　　“规则不应该是被遵守的吗？”本报记者话音未落，吉福德接过话茬：“我认为中国羽毛球队受到的处罚很不公平，应该说，是规则不公平。赢得比赛的选手有权力选择对手，而不是"服从分配"。很多竞技比赛都是有策略的，自行车和足球也是这样（英国自行车队也陷入"假摔门"）。”

“Rules should not be obeyed by？”Our reporter voice did not lie，"Sixty took us：“I think Chinese athletes have been punished very unfair，Should say，The rule is not fair。Win the game players have the power to choose opponent，not"Obey distribution"。Many competitive matches are a strategy，Bicycle and football in the same way（England team are in themselves"Diving door"）。”

　　以华尔街为代表的欧美金融业不也是玩转规则的高手吗？他们该不该罚？规则该不该改？面对本报记者抛出的这个问题，吉福德表示，不论是银行本身还是监管层都应该完善。

With Wall Street, as a representative of the Europe and America is not embracing the financial industry rules superior？They should the punishment？Rules should shouldn't change？Facing our reporter out the problem，Sixty said，Whether the bank itself or regulatory should be improved。

　　作为北欧最大银行之一瑞典北欧斯安银行（SEB）的英国区负责人，吉福德将于今年11月9日履新伦敦金融城第685任市长（10月举行选举，只有他一位候选人）。

As one of the biggest Nordic bank yet Sweden Nordic bank（SEB）British area in charge，"Sixty will be released this November 9, 685 as mayor of the city of London office（October elections，The only candidates）。

　　他认为，目前中英金融领域的合作水平还很低，“看看那些在伦敦上市的俄罗斯公司、那些收购英国钢铁和汽车企业的印度公司，再看看那些在英国大举置业的中东主权财富基金，中国的潜力还很大。”

He thinks，At present in the financial field level of cooperation is still low，“Look at those listed in London of Russian companies、Those who buy the British steel and auto enterprise Indian companies，Look at those in Britain in the Middle East home buyers heavily sovereign wealth funds，The potential of China is very big still。”

　　伦敦正在建设人民币离岸交易的西方中心被寄予厚望，吉福德的观点是，要过几年再评估效果。

London is building offshore RMB centre of western trade are expected to do that，Sixty is of the opinion，To a few years to evaluate effect。

　　本次专访是在吉福德位于SEB的办公室进行的，采访过程中，吉福德不时透过玻璃张望电视。没错，他也染上了“奥运综合征”。

This interview is located in SEB office in sixty，Interview in，From time to time looking through glass TV sixty。That's right，He also took“Olympic syndrome”。

　　三大施政纲领 Three platforms

　　第一财经日报：你是否已经准备好了未来一年的施政纲领，如果需要做三件实事提升中英金融、商业合作，会是哪三件事？

The first financial daily：Are you ready for the coming year platforms，If need to do three things seeking ascension British financial、Business cooperation，Will is which three things？

　　吉福德：第一，改善商业环境；第二，完善金融城的议事机制和资本制度，为这个金融市场及其金融服务提供更好的环境，这么说吧，其实是推动一场关于有责任的资本主义的讨论；第三，发起设立一个音乐基金，可以资助来伦敦高等学府深造的中国等地留学生，还有，如果郎朗下次再来伦敦，我们可以邀请他来金融城表演。

sixty：The first，To improve the business environment；The second，Improve the city's system and capital system，For the financial market and its financial services provide a better environment，Put it this way，In fact is to promote a about the responsibility of capitalism in the discussion；The third，To launch a music fund，Can aid to London universities for further study of the China international students，and，If lang lang to London next time，Can we invited him to come to the city show。

　　日报：谁都知道伦敦正努力成为人民币离岸交易的西方中心。我想知道的是，在这个抽象的金融术语背后，有哪些实实在在的推动人民币国际化以及两国经贸投资的好处。

daily：Who all know London is trying to as an offshore RMB centre of western trade。I want to know，In the abstract financial terminology back，What are the real promote RMB internationalization and the bilateral economic and trade investment benefits。

　　吉福德：5年前，中国只有一两家银行在伦敦拓展业务，如今有五家。显然，这些中国金融机构的影响力和资产规模与日俱增。

sixty：5 years ago，China only a two Banks in London to develop the service，Now have five。obviously，These Chinese financial institutions and the influence of the asset scale grows day by day。

　　还有那些酝酿来伦敦证交所（London Stock Exchange，下称LSE）上市的中国企业，未来的空间巨大，在伦敦上市的俄罗斯企业有50家。当然，这些需要水到渠成，因为全新的资本市场意味着全新的制度，比如会计准则。老实说，可能目前中国企业认为没有必要通过在伦敦上市而达到募资的目的，他们可以在国内融到更多的钱。

And those who are brewing to the London stock exchange（London Stock Exchange，Said the LSE）The listing of the Chinese enterprise，The future of space is enormous，In London the Russian enterprise have listed 50 home。Of course，The need to follow，Because the new capital market means that the new system，Such as accounting standards。To be honest，At present Chinese enterprises may see no need to through the market and in London to achieve the purpose of whip round，They can be in domestic harmony to more money。

　　这个人民币离岸中心带来的提升作用是超越中英经贸层面的，对于各大银行来说是一个利好。建立人民币离岸资金池的过程将提升人民币的流动性，助推其成为更加国际化的货币。但这需要时间，以便我们理解这个市场的运行同时观察其如何流动。

The offshore RMB centre for ascension is beyond the role of trade and economic levels，For the bank to be good。Establishing the RMB offshore money pool will ascend the process of RMB liquidity，Thrusting its become more international currency。But it takes time，So that we understand the market operation and observe how it flow。

　　日报：我们会等多久？

daily：We will soon？

　　吉福德：过几年时间再来评估效果吧。

sixty：Again in a few years time to evaluate effect it。

　　香港可以争取“金砖银行” Hong Kong can fight for“Compound bank”

　　日报：你刚才提到了伦敦资本市场，很多中概股在美国已经风雨飘摇，这是不是一个推介中国企业来LSE上市的机会？

daily：You just mentioned the London capital market，Many in the us are stocks has been precarious，This is a Chinese enterprise to promote the listing of the LSE opportunity？

　　吉福德：如果你想主攻美国市场的话，纽约很棒。如果你想做全世界的生意的话，伦敦才是真正的全球金融市场。如果在伦敦上市，你的融资对象是来自全球各地的投资者。纽约的市场很大、很重要，但相对而言更多针对的是美国国内市场。

sixty：If you want to attack the United States the word of the market，New York is great。If you want to make the whole world business words，London is the real global financial markets。If the listed in London，Your object is financing from all over the world, investors。The New York market is very large、Very important，But relatively more of the United States is in the domestic market。

　　日报：上海也在建设国际金融中心，你有何建议？

daily：Shanghai is also in construction international financial centre，What do you suggest？

　　吉福德：中国已经是一个很大的市场了，对于上海来说，首先需要巩固作为内地金融中心的地位，确保债券、股票、信用和外汇市场运行机制的成熟顺畅，这是建设国际金融中心必须打好的基础。而且除了上海，你们还有香港。

sixty：China is a big market，For Shanghai to，First need to cement a mainland financial centre，Ensure that bonds、stock、Credit and foreign exchange market operating mechanism of the mature smoothly，This is construction international financial centre must play a good foundation。And in addition to Shanghai，You have Hong Kong。

　　上海首先需要对标的是纽约，上海要成为中国内地的纽约，才会吸引更多国际资本流入。在市场构建、债券和按揭市场规模等方面，目前纽约对上海而言更有可比性。

Shanghai first need to mark is New York，Shanghai to become the mainland of China's New York，Will attract more and more international capital inflows。In the construction market、Bonds and mortgage market scale, etc，Currently the New York to Shanghai more are comparable。

　　日报：说到酝酿中的“金砖银行”，吉姆·奥尼尔（金砖概念之父）认为开在伦敦是最佳选择，你认为香港怎么样？

daily：Said to a brewing“Compound bank”，Jim o 'neill（The father of the compound concept）Think open in London is the best choice，Do you think Hong Kong？

　　吉福德：伦敦头号种子，香港也是个不错的选择，巴西、俄罗斯和印度都不合适。

sixty：Top seed London，Hong Kong is also a good choice，Brazil、Russia and India are inappropriate。

　　英国签证让人恼火 UK visa irritating

　　日报：伦敦奥运对于中英经贸的刺激效果在今后几年会被固化吗？中国游客消费很给力，但我也听到一些不甚满足的英国企业呼吁签证“松绑”，英国可不是申根签证国家。

daily：The London games for the stimulation of Sino-British economic and trade in effect for a few years in the framed？Chinese tourists consumption is to force，But I also heard some very not satisfy the British enterprise called for a visa“easing”，Britain is not the schengen visa countries。

　　吉福德：我会这么振臂高呼的，办签证很是让人恼火，从商业便利化的角度来看，我们对这样的签证现状也很反感，但政府政策就是这样。

sixty：I so the arm halloo.did，A visa is very annoying，From the point of view of the business facilitation，We present situation is to such a visa is very antipathetic，But the government policy is so。

　　日报：规则总会被人“合理利用”，比如中国羽毛球。华尔街也是玩转规则的高手，还有最近爆出操纵LIBOR（伦敦同业拆借市场利率）的一些欧洲银行。我们到底应该处罚这个游戏的参与者还是改变游戏规则？

daily：The rules will be“Reasonable use”，Such as China badminton。Wall Street is also play rules superior，And the recent reported LIBOR manipulation（The London interbank lending market interest rates）Some of the European bank。What are we supposed to punish the game of participants or change the rules of the game？

　　吉福德：都应该完善，不论是银行本身还是监管层。但在羽毛球这个问题上，完全是规则制定者的错误。很多竞技比赛都是有策略的，自行车是这样，足球也是。

sixty：Should perfect，Whether the bank itself or regulatory。But in badminton on the problem，The rule is completely the mistakes of the makers。Many competitive matches are a strategy，Bicycle is such，Soccer is。

　　日报：我知道在你的童年时期，你父亲不许家人买电视，因为他认为举债是一条不能触碰的高压线。如果那些陷入债务危机的欧元区国家早点听从你父亲的忠告，就不会有如今令人痛苦的紧缩了，相比激进的刺激，稳健的紧缩是一个更好的办法吗？

daily：I know in your childhood，Your father no family buy TV，Because he thought that leverage the is a can't touch the high tension line。If those who are in debt crisis of the early eurozone countries to your father's advice，There would be no now painful tightening，Compared to the stimulation of radical，Steady tightening is a better way？

　　吉福德：需要权衡的是，哪里应该刺激哪里又该省钱，如果在非生产部门例如政府实施紧缩，这样就能腾出资源在那些可产出回报的部门刺激投资，也就是说“有选择性的紧缩结合有选择性的刺激”。

sixty：The need to weigh is，Where should stimulate the province where money again，If in such as the government implement tightening non-productive department，So it can make resources in those which can produce returns stimulate investment department，That is“Selective tightening combined with selective stimulation”。