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北京中小学校长:靠文件打破奥数利益链不可能--亲民维稳网络舆情监测室
2012-09-12

  北京师范大学教育管理学院教授苏君阳告诉记者,他与北京一些中小学的校长进行过交流,在谈到此次治理的效果时,许多校长都直摇头。“奥数在社会上已经形成一个巨大的利益链,而且随着它与升学挂钩,这条利益链就变得更加庞大、坚固,想靠几个文件来打破这个利益链,可能性不大。”如何让“奥数热”彻底降温?57.1%受访者首选“推进教育资源公平,消除校际差异”。

Beijing normal university education college of management SuJunYang professor told reporters,He and some of Beijing's primary and middle school principal exchanged,When talking about the management effect,Many of the principal has straight shook his head."Mathematical olympiad in society has become a huge interests chain,And as it and bound hook,This article interests chain becomes larger/strong,Want to rely on several files to break the interests of chain,unlikely."How to let"Aoshu heat"Temperature thoroughly?57.1% of respondents preferred"Promote education resource fair,Eliminate intercollegiate differences".

  8月21日,北京对全市所有学校进行全面检查,集中查处与奥数挂钩的入学行为;8月28日,北京市30所名校与市教委签订责任书,承诺不把奥数与升学挂钩;9月3日,北京最负盛名的奥数培训机构仁华学校注销……近来,北京市屡出严厉措施向奥数宣战,引发社会高度关注。

August 21,Beijing to the whole city all schools to conduct a comprehensive inspection,Concentration is investigated and aoshu hook entrance behavior;On August 28,,The Beijing municipal education commission 30 school and a responsibility,Promise not to put the mathematical olympiad and bound hook;September 3,One of Beijing's most prestigious aoshu training institutions RenHua school cancellation……recently,Beijing repeatedly out drastic measures to war on mathematical olympiad,Trigger social high attention.

  上周,中国青年报社会调查中心通过题客调查网和民意中国网,对9062人进行的一项调查显示,40.2%的受访者在持续关注北京市治理奥数的相关举措。受访者中,56.7%的人是家长。

Last week,The China youth daily social survey center through the topic guest DiaoZhaWang and public opinion China,Of 9062 people of a survey,40.2% of respondents in the concern of the Beijing governance mathematical olympiad related measures.respondents,56.7% of the people are the parents.

  

57.1%的受访者支持北京市治理奥数 57.1% of those surveyed support Beijing governance mathematical olympiad

  看到北京重拳治理奥数的新闻,家住上海的李女士有些兴奋,但联想到上海的实际情况,她的兴奋又打了很多折扣。因为上海以前也出台过许多治理奥数的规定,比如,初中入学报名时不允许填写奥数证书信息,还公布了举报电话,但是最终效果都不太理想,各种奥数培训班与奥数竞赛还是开展得轰轰烈烈。

See Beijing news punch management mathematical olympiad,Live in Shanghai's ms. Li some excitement,But lenovo to Shanghai's actual situation,Her excitement and played a lot of discount.Because Shanghai ago also has too many management provisions mathematical olympiad,For example,Junior high school admission application form are not allowed to fill out aoshu certificate information,Also announced the report telephone,But the result is not too ideal,Various aoshu training classes and Olympic math competition or develops dynamic.

  去年暑假,李女士给即将上小学二年级的儿子报了一个奥数班,一节课一小时,共16节课,收费1200元。李女士向记者坦言,自己这么做完全是不得已为之。因为在她儿子所上的学校,数学课相对较少,而且教的内容也比较简单,相反的是,不论是小学升级考试还是小升初考试,数学试卷难度都很大,远远超出了课堂教授的范围。这就逼迫许多家长不得不到校外给孩子“开小灶”补奥数。

Last summer,Ms. Li for the coming in the second grade son entered an Olympic math class,A lesson for an hour,16 class,The charge of 1200 yuan.Ms. Li said to reporters,Himself to do that is necessary to completely.Because in her son go to school,Relatively few math class,And the content of teaching is simple,The opposite is,Whether elementary school to upgrade the exam or another test,The math exam with great difficulty,Far beyond the scope of the classroom teaching.This forced many parents have to out to give the child"KaiXiaoZao"Complement aoshu.

  由于孩子反感奥数,上过一暑假的奥数班后,李女士就再也没有逼孩子去学。但是当记者问到,将来是不是再也不会让孩子去学奥数时,李女士有些纠结,“让他学吧,他不喜欢,一直逼他的话怕扼杀了他学习的兴趣;不让他学吧,怕他到时候进不了好的初中,影响他一生的发展。对于奥数这个问题,真是想都不敢想。在中国当家长真难!”

Because the child dislike mathematical olympiad,On a summer Olympic math after work,Ms. Li no force children to learn.But when a reporter asked,The future isn't never let children to learn the mathematical olympiad,Ms. Li some ravel,"Let him take a,He doesn't like,A close to his words be afraid killed his interest in learning;Don't let him learn it,Afraid of him there can't get into the good junior middle school,Influence the development of his life.The problem for mathematical olympiad,Really want to all dare not to think.In China when parents really difficult!"

  对于此次北京市治理奥数,北京市某事业单位员工王先生坦言自己支持但不看好。王先生告诉记者,根据他搜集到的资料,不论是成都、西安等地方教育机构,还是教育部,以前都对奥数判过“死刑”,而且每次都宣称是史上最严厉的。可最后结果是奥数依然能逃脱整治,存活下来,甚至在一些地方还出现了越整治,奥数活得越旺盛的局面。“相对于以往治理奥数的实际情况,这次北京治理奥数在措施上并没有太多新东西,想要让大家看好,就必须要亮出‘真刀真枪’。”

For the Beijing Olympic math governance,Beijing a business unit staff Mr. Wang said his support but not valued.Mr. Wang told reporters,According to his collection to the material,Whether chengdu/Xian place such as education institutions,Or the ministry of education,For before aoshu convicted over"The death penalty",And each time it has claimed to be history the most severe.In the end, the result is aoshu can still escape improvement,survive,Even in some places have appeared more improvement,Aoshu live more exuberant situation."Relative to the previous management of the actual situation of mathematical olympiad,The Beijing Olympic math in management measures and not too many new things,Want to let everybody value,Will have to flash‘In real earnest’."

  调查显示,对于北京市此次治理奥数的举措,57.1%的受访者表示支持。与此同时,只有31.7%的受访者看好此次治理的效果。

Investigation shows that,For the management of Beijing Olympic math action,57.1% of respondents said support.meanwhile,Only 31.7% of respondents valued the governance effect.

  中国数学会奥林匹克委员会主席、华东师范大学教授周青,在接受中国青年报记者采访时坦言,自己并不看好此次北京市治理奥数的最终效果。他指出,对奥数的治理不是一次两次了,可每次总是头痛医头、脚痛医脚,很少认真地把“奥数热”背后的深层原因弄清楚,再去对症下药。“治理奥数问题,千万不能只有当大众有意见了、媒体曝光了,才去治一治。这不是治理奥数问题应有的态度,关键要找出问题的根源,进行长期、综合治理。”

China's math Olympic committee chairman/East China normal university professor ZhouQing,In accepting the China youth daily reporter to interview said,He is not valued the Beijing governance aoshu final effect.He pointed out that,To mathematical olympiad management is not a two times,But every time always instant gratification/JiaoTongYiJiao,The few seriously"Aoshu heat"Behind the deep reasons make it clear,To suit the remedy to the case."Governance aoshu problem,Must not only when the public opinion/Media exposure the,To cure a cure.This is not governance aoshu problem should have of attitude,The key to find out the root of the problem,long-term/Comprehensive treatment."

  北京师范大学教育管理学院教授苏君阳告诉记者,在北京市出台治理奥数的措施后,他与北京一些中小学的校长进行过交流,在谈到此次治理的效果时,许多校长都直摇头。“奥数在社会上已经形成一个巨大的利益链,而且随着它与升学挂钩,这条利益链就变得更加庞大、坚固,想靠几个文件来打破这个利益链,可能性不大。”

Beijing normal university education college of management SuJunYang professor told reporters,In Beijing issued management mathematical olympiad after measures,He and some of Beijing's primary and middle school principal exchanged,When talking about the management effect,Many of the principal has straight shook his head."Mathematical olympiad in society has become a huge interests chain,And as it and bound hook,This article interests chain becomes larger/strong,Want to rely on several files to break the interests of chain,unlikely."

  

为何取消奥数,大家就呼唤统考? Why to cancel aoshu,They call for an examination?

  当北京市的奥数禁令在网络上一传开,许多网友就担心,这将堵住许多一般家庭孩子上重点中学的通道,让小升初更加“拼爹”。

When Beijing Olympic math ban on the network spread,Many users will worry,This will obstruct many general family and child key middle school on the channel,Let another more"Spell dad".

  来自“巨人论坛”的网友“凡眼看云”指出,当前在北京,绝大多数市重点中学的入学方式有共建生、条子生、特长生、推优生、派位生和点招生6种。其中,一般家庭的孩子很难走共建生、条子生与特长生这3条路,剩下的推优生竞争太过激烈,而且由于许多重点学校参加派位的名额非常少,或者干脆就不参加派位,导致走派位生这条路的机会也非常小。剩下的只有点招生,即重点学校按成绩说话的自主招生。

from"Giant BBS"Net friend of"All see cloud"Pointed out that,The current in Beijing,The vast majority of municipal key middle school entrance means has build a life/Striped born/Especially immortal/Pushes the superior raw/1 school places allocation birth and point 6 kinds of recruit students.the,General family children born it is difficult to go build/Note the life and especially immortal 3 road,The rest of the directing born too fierce competition,And because the many key school to participate in the number of 1 school places allocation is very little,Or simply will not attend 1 school places allocation,Lead to go 1 school places allocation born this way opportunity is very small.The rest of the only point recruit students,That is the key school according to the result of speak autonomous enrolment.

  这位网友进一步分析,在重点学校的自主招生中,大多数都会考奥数、语文与英语3门课程,三者的比例大致是2∶1∶1,个别重点学校甚至只考奥数。如果取消了奥数,只会有两种结果:一种是没了奥数还会有奥语、奥英;另一种是,严格执行就近入学制度,但这又会使学区房的价格猛涨,一般家庭根本买不起好的学区房,从而导致上重点中学的道路被有钱人垄断。

The net friend further analysis,In the key school the autonomous enrolment,Most of them will mathematical olympiad/Chinese and English 3 course,Three ratio is about 2:1:1,Individual key school or even just got mathematical olympiad.If cancelled mathematical olympiad,Will only have two kinds of results:One is not a mathematical olympiad will have Mr Language/Mr British;Another kind is,Strict implementation of nearby enter a school system,But it will make the school district room price has soared,General family could not afford good school district room,The resulting in key middle school's roads are rich monopoly.

  调查显示,对于取消奥数会使得小升初更加“拼爹”的担心,44.4%的受访者直言有道理。正是基于这种担心,社会上流传着一种声音,认为取消奥数后应该实行“小升初”统一考试。

Investigation shows that,To cancel the mathematical olympiad will make another more"Spell dad"worry,44.4% of those surveyed the truth makes sense.It is based on this kind of worry,The society has a voice,Think cancel after aoshu should carry out"another"Unified exam.

  “不能试图用一个错误的行为去改变另一个错误。”21世纪教育研究院副院长、上海交通大学教授熊丙奇指出,取消奥数,大家就呼唤统考,这不但体现了公众对教育公平的渴望,也是对这些年义务教育均衡工作的讽刺。在取消奥数之后,我们应该思考的是,如何让义务教育尽快真正公平起来,而不是半途而废,重新走向应试教育的深渊。

"Can't try to use a wrong behavior to change another mistake."The 21st century education institute vice President/Shanghai jiaotong university professor XiongBingJi pointed out,Cancel aoshu,They call for an examination,This not only reflected the public education fair desire,For years is compulsory education balanced work irony.In the cancel after mathematical olympiad,We should be thinking is,How to make the compulsory education really fair up as soon as possible,Rather than give up halfway,Exam-oriented education back to the abyss.

  

如何才能让“奥数热”彻底降温 How to let"Aoshu heat"Temperature thoroughly

  “奥数不是大多数人的游戏,学奥数需要天赋,而这种天赋不是每个人都具备的,也不可能每个人都具备。但是在中国文化中,几乎每个家长都觉得自己的孩子是天才,只要好好教、努力学,都能学好。”周青表示,要彻底治理奥数,就必须改变中国家长的这种观念。

"Olympic math is not most people of the game,Learn aoshu need talent,And this kind of talent not everyone have the,Also can't all have.But in Chinese culture,Almost every parents feel that her child is a genius,As long as a good teaching/Effort to learn,Can learn."ZhouQing said,Thoroughly governance mathematical olympiad,It must change the Chinese parents of this kind of idea.

  苏君阳指出,根治奥数不能只靠口号,还要有具体的政策跟进。比如,教育管理机构应该对各个学校特别是重点学校的招生行为与招生过程进行监控,并设立招生举报制度,哪个学校一经被举报奥数与招生挂钩并被查实的话,就给予严厉处罚,绝不姑息。

SuJunYang pointed out that,Radical aoshu cannot only depend on the slogan,Have specific policy follow up.For example,Education management mechanism should be to each school especially key school admissions behavior and admissions process monitoring,And the establishment of recruit students the reporting system,Which school once was to report aoshu and admissions hook and verify words,Give the severe punishment,Never palliative.

  如何才能让“奥数热”彻底降温?调查显示,“推进教育资源公平,消除校际差异”(57.1%)成为受访者的首选。其他依次是:严格限制奥数与升学挂钩(55.8%)、出台更合理的小升初入学办法(38.9%)、严禁小升初择校(33.3%)、彻底取消奥数培训班(32.8%)等。

How to let"Aoshu heat"Temperature thoroughly?Investigation shows that,"Promote education resource fair,Eliminate intercollegiate differences"(57.1%)Become the first choice of respondents.Other ordinal it is:Strictly limited aoshu and bound hook(55.8%)/On a more reasonable way to another entrance(38.9%)/It is strictly prohibited to another school(33.3%)/Completely cancel aoshu training class(32.8%), etc.

  “要解决义务教育校际差异这一问题,一方面我们必须重申并严格贯彻义务教育强调公平性的基本原则;另一方面,给私立学校以发展空间,满足部分家长的择校需求。需要注意的是,义务教育的公平化,并不是一种削峰填谷式的公平,而是应该在提高所有学校办学水平的基础上实现公平。”苏君阳说。

"To solve the compulsory education intercollegiate differences this problem,On the one hand we must reaffirm and strictly implement the compulsory education emphasizes the basic principles of fairness;On the other hand,To private schools to development space,To meet the needs of parents school.Need to pay attention to is,The impartiality of the obligation education,And is not a peak clipping fill valley type fair,But should improve school level in all the basis of fair."SuJunYang said.

  “这些年来,我们一直强调义务教育均衡发展,但结果一直不太理想。究其原因,就是我们的许多板子没有打在该打的地方。”熊丙奇指出,要解决校际差异,实现义务教育均衡发展,关键应该将现有的义务教育财政保障方式,从以县、乡财政支持为主转变为以省级财政统筹为主。

"Over the years,We keep stressing the balanced development of compulsory education,But it has not been very ideal.Investigate its reason,Is many of our board did not play in the playing place."XiongBingJi pointed out that,To solve the inter-school differences,To realize the balanced development of compulsory education,The key should be compulsory education of the existing financial security mode,From the county/Township financial support to give priority to change the provincial public finance is given priority to as a whole.

  他解释说,对于县、乡政府来说,教育成果特别是高考成绩是他们重要的教育政绩,当义务教育的财政主要来源于县、乡时,他们自然会将有限的资源投入到几个重点学校中,从而培养出有希望在高考中取得优异成绩的好学生。这样一来,义务教育均衡性与公平性的本质就会被忽略。“所以,治理奥数,消除校际差异并不是一个单纯的教育问题,它还会涉及国家的财政体制改革。”

He explained that,For the county/For the township government,Education achievement of the university entrance exam is especially important education achievements,When compulsory education finance mainly comes from the county/Township in,They will naturally will be limited resources into several key schools,So as to cultivate the college entrance examination is expected to achieve outstanding performance in the good student.so,Compulsory education balance and fairness of nature will be ignored."so,Governance aoshu,Eliminate intercollegiate difference is not a simple education problems,It also involves the national financial system reform."

  9月6日,在国务院新闻办举行的新闻发布会上,教育部部长袁贵仁指出,“奥数热”涉及中小学择校问题,而中小学择校问题的根本原因是义务教育发展不均衡,优质教育资源不足。他表态,近日国务院已经作出了部署,将全力推动义务教育均衡发展,从根本上治理“奥数热”。

On September 6,,In the state council information office held a news conference,The ministry of education minister pointed out that yuan guiren indicated,"Aoshu heat"Involved in primary and secondary schools will be problems,Primary and secondary schools and school the root cause of the problem is compulsory education development is not balanced,High quality education resources.His statement,Recently the state council has made deployment,Will spare no effort to promote the balanced development of compulsory education,Fundamentally management"Aoshu heat".

  “教育部长重视奥数问题是一件好事,但关键的问题是,对于中国的教育改革而言,各种表态已经够多了,关键是要让公众看到实际的行动。”熊丙奇说。

"Education minister attention Olympic math problem is a good thing,But the key problem is,For China's education reform concerned,All kinds of statement already have more than enough,The key is to let the public to see the real action."XiongBingJi said.

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