南方科技大学校长朱清时说，如果南科大成功，则说明，真正改革一定要有大改变

The President of the university of science and technology south zhu qingshi said,If south university success,, explain,Real reform must have great change

　　“南科大妥协了？这是误解！”

"South the hkust compromise?It is misunderstanding!"

　　- 简介

- introduction

　　朱清时

Zhu qingshi

　　男，化学家，教授，博士生导师，中国科学院院士、第三世界科学院院士，南方科技大学校长。

male,The chemist,professor,Doctoral tutor,Academician of the Chinese academy of sciences/The third world academy of sciences,The President of the university of science and technology south.

　　2012年9月2日，南方科技大学成立大会暨2012年开学典礼在深圳举行。

On September 2, 2012,The south university of science and technology and the founding conference of 2012 opening ceremony held in shenzhen.

　　南方科技大学，这座被媒体誉为中国高校改革实验校的初创学府，一出生便被广泛关注。

South university of science and technology,This by the media as the Chinese colleges and universities, reform the institution ShiYanJiao start-up,A birth was extensive concern.

　　2009年，深圳市委常委会议同意聘任朱清时院士为南方科技大学校长，时至今日，朱清时一直在为他的“孩子”四处奔走，寻求支持。

In 2009,,Shenzhen municipal party committee standing committee meeting agreed to academician zhu qingshi employment for the south university of science and technology the headmaster,today,Zhu qingshi has been for his"children"Running around,Seek support.

　　而今年，南科大招生方式“回归”高考被外界视为改革的妥协之举。

This year,South university enrollment mode"regression"The university entrance exam is outside as reform for compromise.

　　三年来，大小风波不断考验着这个以“教授治校”为理想的学校的承受底线。

Three years,Size storm constantly test the to"Professor managing"For the ideal school under the bottom line.

　　在近两个小时的对话中，朱清时正面回应了招生方式“回归”高考的缘由。谈及外界关于南科大已对体制妥协的声音，他说，这是一种误解，南科大招生以高考成绩作为部分参照，并非“回归”高考。

In nearly two hours of the dialogue,Zhu qingshi positive response to the way of recruitment of students"regression"The cause of the university entrance exam.Talk about the outside world about south university has to compromise voice system,He said,This is a misunderstanding,South university to recruit students of the university entrance exam as part of reference,Is not"regression"College entrance examination.

　　【焦点1】 [Focus 1]

　　招生改革因为外部压力？ Recruit students reform because of external pressure?

　　教育部没有干预南科大 The ministry of education no intervention south university

　　新京报：今年南科大的招生标准里，高考成绩占60%，为什么不像去年一样完全采用自主招生，不看高考成绩？

The Beijing news:This year the south university enrollment in the standard,The university entrance exam accounted for 60%,Why don't you like last year completely using independent enrollment,Watch of the university entrance exam?

　　朱清时：今年招收188名学生，同样经过我们的自主测试，他们的想象力、洞察力、专注力同样优秀。

Zhu qingshi:This takes in 188 students,The same after our independent test,Their imagination/insight/Concentration also outstanding.

　　新京报：改变招生是否受到了主管部门的压力？

The Beijing news:Change the recruit students if affected by the competent department of the pressure?

　　朱清时：教育部和我们做了一些沟通，他们没有干预我们。第二届学生招生按照“6+3+1”方案，即高考成绩占60%，自主招生占30%，平时成绩占10%，这是和教育部反复商量的结果。

Zhu qingshi:The ministry of education and we have done a little communication,They have no intervention we.The second students according to recruit students"6 + 3 + 1"scheme,The university entrance exam is 60%,Autonomous enrollment accounted for 30%,Peacetime result to account for 10%,This is the result of the ministry of education to discuss and repeatedly.

　　新京报：商量的过程怎样？

The Beijing news:Discuss how the process?

　　朱清时：我们与教育部主要沟通的方面是各个部分所占比例，最初我们提出的比例是高考成绩占40%，自主招生占30%，平时成绩占30%。教育部说平时成绩很难测准，占30%比例过大。

Zhu qingshi:We and the ministry of education of the main communication is the proportion of each part,At first we put forward the university entrance exam is the proportion of 40%,Autonomous enrollment accounted for 30%,Peacetime result to account for 30%.The ministry of education said scores at ordinary times very are accurate,The large proportion accounted for 30%.

　　新京报：你们同意吗？

The Beijing news:Do you agree to this?

　　朱清时：教育部对平时成绩的了解比我们更多，我们接受了这个意见。

Zhu qingshi:The ministry of education to the peacetime achievements than we know more,We accept the opinion.

　　我们希望把平时成绩去掉的20%加到自主招生中，教育部表示自主招生不宜占最高的比例。如果占比过高，(就)过于弱化高考成绩。我们考虑认为，教育部说的是有道理的，最后确定了“6+3+1”方案。

We hope that the usual result of get rid of 20% added to autonomous enrolment,The ministry of education said autonomous enrollment shoulds not be accounted for the proportion of the highest.If account for high than,(it)The university entrance exam is too weak.We consider that,The ministry of education said is reasonable,Finally determined the"6 + 3 + 1"scheme.

　　新京报：有人认为，参考高考成绩，南科大的招生在倒退，在妥协。

The Beijing news:Some people think that,The reference of the university entrance exam,South university admissions in reverse,In the compromise.

　　朱清时：这是一个误解。招生不能以是否回到体制内来判断好与坏，而是以它是不是合理。

Zhu qingshi:This is a misunderstanding.Recruit students cannot return to judge whether the system in good and bad,But as it is reasonable.

　　第一届招生时出现了太多的风波，学生们承受了舆论压力，我们不希望学生们再承受这些压力。同时，自主招生需要一整套的招生办法和考核办法，保证招的学生非常优秀，南科大创校初期这方面还没有一整套的体系，所以我们这次考虑借助更多的社会资源，这就是高考。

The first when recruit students have a lot of storm,The students under the pressure of public opinion,We don't want students to withstand the pressure.At the same time,Independent recruit students need a set of procedures of enrollment and the evaluation method,Ensure that recruit students is very good,South university and early school there is not a set of system,So we consider this time with more social resources,This is the university entrance exam.

　　新京报：但是高考本身并不“完美”。

The Beijing news:But the university entrance exam itself is not"perfect".

　　朱清时：高考的问题并不是成绩本身，而是单一以高考成绩为参考的制度，这个制度过于一刀切，绝对化。因此，我们完全可以借助高考成绩来判断学生在学业上的水平和能力。

Zhu qingshi:The problem of the university entrance exam is not achievement itself,But with a single of the university entrance exam for the reference system,This system too one size fits all,absolutization.therefore,We can with the aid of the university entrance exam to judge students in academic level and ability.

　　新京报：60%的高考成绩占比是不是过重了？

The Beijing news:60% of the university entrance exam than is excessive?

　　朱清时：这也是一个误解。大家都以为这么做高考就是主要的考量标准了，其实不是。南科大招生，高考成绩的750分先要换算成100分，然后再乘以百分之60%，而自主招生成绩100分直接乘以30%，这意味着自主招生的1分相当于高考成绩的3.75分，自主招生的成绩非常重要。

Zhu qingshi:This is a misunderstanding.Everyone thought that to do so the university entrance exam is the main considerations standard,It is not.South university recruitment of students,The university entrance exam 750 points first conversion into 100 points,And then multiplied by 60%,And autonomous enrollment scores 100 points directly multiplied by 30%,This means that the independent recruit students of the university entrance exam 1 points is equivalent to 3.75 points,Independent recruitment of students records are very important.

　　新京报：改变招生方式对第一届学生公平吗？

The Beijing news:Change the recruit students way for the first students fair?

　　朱清时：学生们没有问题。虽然招生的方式不同，但第一届和第二届学生以后的水平不会有任何不同，因为他们都是受到了南科大良好的教育，学到了真才实学。

Zhu qingshi:The students there is no problem.Although the recruitment of students in different ways,But the first and the second student later level there won't be any different,Because they are the south university good education,Learned well.

　　【焦点2】 [Focus 2]

　　南科大扩招是否会影响教学？ South university enrollment expansion would affect teaching?

　　南科大扩招遵循1∶8师生比 South university enrollment follow 1:8 ShiShengBi

　

　新京报：如何评价第一届学生？ The Beijing news:How to evaluate the first student?

　　朱清时：我认为第一届学生是当时中国高中生中最有理想主义色彩的一批人。他们不要国家发的文凭，愿意接受我们自己发的文凭，接受教改实验。

Zhu qingshi:I think the first student was among high school students in China most idealism color a batch of people.They don't national hair diploma,Willing to accept our own hair diploma,Accept educational reform experiment.

　　刚才一个学生说，文凭不是他想要的，他想要的是真才实学。在这个社会，有这样想法的学生非常难得。这批学生是中国社会从崇尚文凭到崇尚真才实学观念转变的开路先锋。

Just a student said,Diploma he doesn't want to,He want is made.In this society,Have such idea of students is very rare.This group of students is the Chinese society from advocating diploma to advocate made to change the trailbreaker.

　　新京报：第一届学生已就读1年，和体制内的顶尖高校学生相比，他们的优势和劣势是什么？

The Beijing news:The first students have enrolled 1 year,And the system of college students in the top compared,Their advantages and disadvantages is what?

　　朱清时：自授学位的学生，我们叫教改实验班学生。其中三分之一的学生在世界上任何大学中，他们都会是优秀学生。另外三分之二的学生中一大半学习成绩也很不错，有几个学生学习比较吃力一点，我想这是教育的普遍规律。

Zhu qingshi:Since the degree awarding students,We call the educational reform experimental class students.Which one third of the students in the world in any university,They will be outstanding student.In addition two thirds of the students most of a study is also very good,There are several students to learn a bit is quite strenuous,I think this is the universal law of the education.

　　新京报：有媒体报道称南科大正在建立新校区？

The Beijing news:Media reports said the south university are creating new campus?

　　朱清时：现在我们使用的是临时校区。所有学生、教师和管理人员明年1月都会迁入新校区。

Zhu qingshi:Now we use temporary campus.All the students/Teachers and management personnel in January next year will be the new campus.

　　新京报：那个时候南科大会扩大招生吗？

The Beijing news:At that time the south section enlarged enrollment?

　　朱清时：我们的扩招要完全取决于教师队伍的情况。

Zhu qingshi:Our expansion will all depends on the situation of teachers' team.

　　我们心里面有一个师生比，就是1名教师对应8名学生这样的比例，这是国际一流大学普遍的师生比。

Our hearts surface have a ShiShengBi,It is 1 teacher corresponding eight students such scale,This is the international first-class university common ShiShengBi.

　　从目前人才会聚的速度看，2014年我们希望招到210名优秀教师，这样我们的学生的规模可以达到1600人。过去国内的高校扩招时，招生人数迅速扩大，但是教师数量没有相应提升，所以造成了很多问题。

From the current talents converging speed to see,2014 we hope to recruit 210 excellent teachers,So we students scale can reach 1600.In the past when the domestic college enrollment expansion,Recruit students number expanded rapidly,But the teacher quantity has no corresponding ascension,So caused a lot of problems.

　　新京报：听说南科大教师的薪水很高。按照现有的招聘速度，学校的资金支持能否与招聘规模相匹配呢？

The Beijing news:Heard that south university teachers' salary is very high.According to the existing recruitment speed,The school funding and recruitment scale can match it?

　　朱清时：我们的教师薪水确实比其他高校要高不少。领军教授的年薪与香港大学教授的年薪是持平的。副教授与助理教授的年薪也与香港的大学年薪接近。

Zhu qingshi:Our teachers' salaries did more than to the high number of other universities.Leading the professor's annual salary and Hong Kong university professor's salary is the same.Associate professor and assistant professor salary also and Hong Kong university to salary.

　　现在学校的资金来源主要是深圳财政支持。学生的学费这两年我们通过奖学金的形式予以减免。去年我们成立了南科大基金会，像美国高校一样接受捐助，现在已经有好几笔捐款，都是国内企业界人士的捐助，现款大约几百万，还有的是奖学金捐款，企业每年为学生们提供奖学金。

Now the school funds is mainly shenzhen financial support.Student's tuition this two years we through the form of scholarship shall be reduced or exempted.Last year, we established the south university foundation,Like American colleges and universities accept donations as,Now there are several donation,Is the domestic business people donations,Cash about several million,Still have a plenty of scholarship donation,Each year for enterprise provide the students with a scholarship.

　　这些资金基本上可以满足南科大支付教师的薪水。

These funds can be basically meet the south university teachers pay salary.

　　【焦点3】 [Focus 3]

　　学校管理是否已上正轨？ School management is on track?

　　遭遇管理人员招聘难题 Encounter management personnel recruitment problem

　　新京报：9月2日，南科大第二届学生开学了，和第一届南科大在不被教育部承认的情况下“顶风”招生开学不同，这次有没有如释重负的感觉？

The Beijing news:On September 2,,South university the second student begins,And the first south university by the ministry of education in that case"wind"The recruit students of different,The have the feeling of relief?

　　朱清时：我想是压力更大了。

Zhu qingshi:I think it's a lot more pressure.

　　新京报：为什么？

The Beijing news:why?

　　朱清时：我们招到了188名学生。如果我们不把校内的教学和管理做到一流的话，我们会让这些学生失望。

Zhu qingshi:We recruit to 188 students.If we don't keep the school's teaching and management do first-class words,We will make these students disappointed.

　　另外，教师绝大多数怀着理想从国外回来，如果我们做得不好，也让他们失望，他们就有可能离开，所以南科大现在的挑战比过去要更多。

In addition,The vast majority of teachers with ideal returned from abroad,If we do well,Also let them down,They will likely to leave,So the south university now the challenge to more than in the past.

　　可以说，头两年南科大主要是要争取教育部承认，争取学校开局，现在这些都已经达到了，需要兑现了，兑现的时候我们发现困难比以前想象的更多了。

Can say,The first two years of university is mainly for south to admit that the ministry of education,For school start,Now these are achieved,Need to cash the,Cash when we found difficult to imagine more than before.

　　新京报：你指的困难是什么？

The Beijing news:Do you mean what is difficult?

　　朱清时：主要困难是在国内现有体制之下，我们要做的改革遇到了很多障碍。

Zhu qingshi:The main difficulty is in the country under the existing system,We have to do reform met with many obstacles.

　　另外社会上普遍没有意识到我们改革的意义，这直接影响到我们招聘管理人员和教学人员。特别是招聘管理人员。

In addition the society generally don't realize the significance of the reform of the us,It directly affects our recruitment management personnel and the teaching staff.Especially recruitment management personnel.

　　新京报：具体来说呢？

The Beijing news:Specific for??

　　朱清时：比如南科大是全员招聘制，没有行政级别，一些优秀的管理人员不能接受这点。

Zhu qingshi:Such as south university is full ZhaoPinZhi,No administrative levels,Some excellent management personnel can't accept it.

　　还有养老金的问题，由于南科大是全员招聘制，人员不能像体制内高校一样得到丰富的养老金，现在在这个问题上无法很好的对接，这也是我很头疼的问题。

And pension problems,Due to the south university is full ZhaoPinZhi,People do not like system in college get rich pension,Now in this problem cannot very good butt,This is my very headache problem.

　　新京报：考虑过参照香港大学的养老金模式吗？

The Beijing news:Considered with reference to the university of Hong Kong pension mode?

　　朱清时：这个已经考虑过。在香港以及国外，大学的养老金一般都是年金制，一般每年的养老金占每个教师全年工资的15%单独发放。南科大虽然是法人结构，但是不像企业那样有自主权，不能自己决定发放年金。普通社保的养老保险相对来说很少，不符合我们的定位，我们需要给人才一个比较好的养老保障。

Zhu qingshi:This has been considered.In Hong Kong and overseas,University of pension generally continuity plans,General annual pension accounts for each teacher annual wage 15% separate issue.South hkust although is a legal person structure,But unlike enterprise that have the autonomy,Can't decide issue annuity.Ordinary social endowment insurance are relatively few,Doesn't accord with our location,We need to give people a better old-age security.

　　新京报：你指的没有自主权，是不是没有得到政府的授权？

The Beijing news:Do you mean no autonomy,Don't have to get government authorization?

　　朱清时：是的。南科大毕竟是公办校，但是体制上与普通高校又有区别。我们希望短期内像香港的大学一样，实行年金制，方便我们招聘人才，但是没有得到授权。政府也在研究我们养老金的事情，但还没有一个定论。

Zhu qingshi:yes.South university, after all, is a public school,But system with average college and difference.We hope that in the short term as Hong Kong university,Carries out annual gold,The recruitment of talent is convenient for us,But has not been authorized.The government also in research we pension things,But there is still no a conclusion.