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北京家长:低门槛的异地高考带来灾难性后果--亲民维稳网络舆情监测室
2013-02-11

  对待异地高考的问题上,京籍家长周先生是一个态度很温和,却立场坚定的反对者。

To different places on the issue of college entrance examination,The parents by Mr Zhou is a very gentle attitude,But stand firm opponents.

  这位三十出头的电脑工程师,是个一岁孩子的父亲。他浏览微博上关于异地高考话题,偶尔参与一些辩论,但从来没有过激烈的言辞。为了表明立场,他研究了一些教育政策和数据,并且提出了自己的理解。

The 30 s computer engineer,The father of the child is one year old.He browse micro bo on different college entrance examination topic,Occasionally to participate in some debate,But never had a violent words.In order to show that position,He studied some education policy and data,And the author puts forward his own understanding.

  这位普通的北京市民,认为北京放开异地高考政策并不能解决大部分随迁子女学习的问题,而全国统一高考考卷会导致“绝对的不公平”,他希望从“更长远的角度”解决教育资源不平等的情况。

The ordinary Beijing residents,Think Beijing let go of different college entrance examination policy and can't solve most of the SuiQian children learning problems,And the unified national college entrance examination papers will cause"Absolutely not fair",He hope that from"More long-term point of view"Solve the education resources of inequality.

  谈到那些目前已经高三却无法再北京参加高考的非京籍孩子,这位父亲顿了好一阵,说了声“对不起”。

When it comes to those who has three but unable to Beijing to attend the university entrance exam is not the child record,The father's a good deal,Said a voice"I'm sorry".

  一、 博弈平衡:人口流动带来的倾斜 a/ Game balance:Population flow brings tilt

  

刘畅(搜狐教育特约记者): liu(Sohu education stringer):北京跟其他城市不太一样,需要非常漫长的努力才能看到结果。我本身作为一个北京人,内心也挺矛盾的。

Beijing and other cities are different,Need a very long to see the results.I itself as a beijinger,The heart is also very contradictory.

  

周先生(京籍家长): Mr Zhou(Beijing by parents):这个事儿要按两方面说,一是利益,一是公平。

This thing by two ways,One is the interest,A is equal to.

  咱们国家现在实际上有两个概念,第一个是人口输出地和人口输入地的人口流动,在政策上要因地制宜。很多人口输出地形成了社会、经济、教育空洞的现象。而人口输入地如果恶性循环,就会背上沉重的包袱,丧失核心竞争力。据我了解,义务教育阶段是由中央财政和地方财政按户籍比例拨款。此前人大代表和政府委员都呼吁过,按照真实人口流动现状,把这笔钱分配下去。比如人口流动到北上广地区,那么教育经费就投入到北上广地区。但是很遗憾的,现在的财政支付转移制度极其不完善。

Our country is now in fact there are two concepts,The first is the population output and population input fields of the population flow,In the policy to adjust measures to local conditions.A lot of population output form the society/economic/Education empty phenomenon.While the population of input fields if a vicious circle,Will back the heavy burden,The loss of core competitiveness.I understand,Compulsory education stage is by the central government and local governments according to census register proportional allocation.Previous National People's Congress and government officials are calling for a,According to the real population flow status,Put the money on distribution.Such as population flow to north wide area,So education funding into north wide area.But very regretful,Now the financial transfer payment system is not perfect.

  有一些人口输出地是愿意人口流出的。比如江西,08年高考有38万考生,到去年只有26万,而义务教育阶段经费并没有少拿一分钱。北京作为人口输入地,除了高招以外其他利益基本上全都放开了,已经陷入了严重的困境。

Some people are willing to output population outflow.Such as jiangxi,College entrance examination 380000 students have,Last year only 260000,Compulsory education stage and funds and no less take a penny.Beijing as a population input fields,In addition to silver bullet other interests basically all released,Have got into serious trouble.

  北京现在非京户籍学生有41.9万人,而且比例在逐年上升,这是一个问题。政策应当引导均衡发展,如果人口继续向北上广聚集,无论是对人口输出地还是输入地,都会是灾难性的后果。

Beijing is now the Beijing household register students have 419000 people,And the proportion is rising year by year,This is a question.Policy should guide the balanced development,If people continue to gather up wide,No matter whether the population output or input fields,Will be disastrous consequences.

  实际上黑龙江、重庆、江苏的高考政策相对比较开放,和北上广政策的收紧,我认为是不矛盾的。因为需要引导人口回流,让全国的人口流动逐渐到相对的平衡。人口应当自由迁徙,双向流动:农业人口可以到城市落户,城市人口同样可以到农村去利用土地和农业资源。

In fact the heilongjiang/chongqing/Jiangsu college entrance examination policy relatively open,And north wide policy tightening,I think that is not contradictory.Because of the need to guide the population return,Let the national population flow gradually to relative balance.Population migration should be free,Two-way flow:The agricultural population to cities can settle,The urban population can also use to rural land and agricultural resources.

  

刘畅(搜狐教育特约记者): liu(Sohu education stringer):现在的这种单向流动的根源,您觉得最主要的是?

It's the root of unidirectional flow,Do you think the most main is?

  

周先生(京籍家长): Mr Zhou(Beijing by parents):一是资源,二是利益。我说资源指什么?创造价值的机会。利益指什么?我享受既得优势的机会。

One is the resources,The second is interest.I said resources refer to?Opportunities to create value.What interests?I enjoy have advantage of the opportunity.

  异地高考政策,黑龙江的门槛比较低,符合条件的不到二百人;重庆宣布异地高考的时候保证比例是1%,让本地家长安心;安徽是在千分之一到千分之二左右。即使北上广开放异地高考,肯定也是一个较高的门槛。那么能够享受到异地高考的人群的比例是极少的,毫无疑问是流动人口中的高端群体。异地高考根本无法解决外来人口的教育公平问题。

Different college entrance examination policy,The threshold of the heilongjiang province is low,Meet the conditions of the less than two hundred people;Chongqing announced when different college entrance examination that ratio is 1%,Let the local parents at ease;Anhui is in one over one thousand to two over one thousand or so.Even if the north wide open different college entrance examination,Sure is also a higher threshold.So can enjoy different places of the proportion of the college entrance examination is very little,There is no doubt that the floating population is the high-end group.Different college entrance examination can't solve the problem of floating population education fair.

  北京现在很多人都不愿面对的是,实际上北京有异地高考,而且已经实行多年了。人大附中的孩子,从一百多人,增加到近六百人,都是来自全国各地的少数民族的孩子。我看了人大附招生简章,根据各地少数民族孩子的成绩,选拔尖的到北京来,这个招生思路完全是错误的。为什么?谁是最需要照顾的群体?如果二十个孩子里有一个能考上211大学,六百个孩子就占了北京一万个普通考生上重点大学的名额。

Beijing is now a lot of people are not willing to face is,In fact Beijing has different college entrance examination,And has been implemented for years.The National People's Congress with children,From more than one hundred people,Increased to nearly six hundred people,From all over the country's ethnic minority children.I saw the National People's Congress with recruit students general rules,According to the regional ethnic minority children's performance,Selection pointed to Beijing,This recruit students thinking is totally wrong.why?Who is the need to take care of the group?If there are twenty children admitted to a university in 211,Six hundred children accounted for Beijing ten thousand ordinary candidates on the number of key university.

  第一,北京照顾了最需要照顾的人,第二照顾了有贡献的人,第三照顾了本地引进的人才,这就使北京本地的孩子空间实际上已经很小了。如果说北京孩子是被保护的花朵,这是不正确的。

The first,Beijing to take care of the need to take care of people,The second to take care of the people who have contributed,The third take care of the local talent introduction,This makes Beijing local children, in fact, already very small space.If Beijing children are protected flowers,This is not correct.

  如果流动人口要在北京享受北京的利益,我认为第一北京需要付出一些,第二中央财政也需要继续加强,第三人口输出地的户籍利益需要转移到人口输入地。并不是大家一起来吃一块共有的蛋糕,而是想办法把这块蛋糕做大。

If the floating population in Beijing to enjoy the interests of Beijing,I think the first Beijing needs to pay some,The central government also need to continue to strengthen,The third population output household interests need to be transferred to the input fields.Not everyone together to eat a piece of Shared the cake,But to take the cake bigger.

  有人说北京发展这么迅猛,怎么平衡人口关系?干脆放开政策,按照市场方式来解决。但如果按照市场方式解决,那就是社会达尔文法则,就是物竞天择弱肉强食,中低端人口一定会被驱逐出去,这是毫无疑问的。

Someone said that the development of Beijing so rapidly,How to balance the population relationship?Simply let go of policy,According to the market way to solve.But if the solution to the market,That is the social Darwin's rule,Natural selection is the law of the jungle,ZhongDiDuan population will be banished,There is no doubt.

  如果北京采取了黑龙江、重庆那种低门槛的开放,肯定会带来灾难性的后果,普通老百姓接受义务教育的机会会被压缩,房价物价将全面暴涨,会带来教育上更大的负担。所以说北上广的政策,应该是资源的平稳合理转移,而不能是继续恶化。

If Beijing adopted heilongjiang/The low threshold of chongqing open,It is likely to lead to disastrous consequences,Ordinary people to receive compulsory education opportunities will be compressed,House prices skyrocketing prices will be comprehensive,Education will bring more burden.So said north wide policy,Should be resources reasonable transfer smoothly,And cannot be continue to deteriorate.

  北京的教育资源红利是怎么来的呢?第一市政府对于教育的投入在全国稳居第一,其次北京的计划生育执行得非常好。不可否认北京本地户籍人口所享受的优质教学资源现在已经被稀释掉了,我们可以为全国流动人口做贡献,但是一定要申明这是我们做出的贡献。北京本地人所受的委屈是被强加的,因为北京挡不住这么大的人口流动。我承认这个利益里有不公平现象,但比例多少才是真正关键。

Beijing education resources bonus is how?The first city in the country for education investment in the first,Second Beijing family planning implementation is very good.Do not deny the fact that Beijing, this locality census register population enjoy high quality teaching resources now has been diluted off,We can do the contribution of the floating population,But must be stated this is we make contribution.Beijing native by injustice is imposed,Because Beijing can not hold up against such a large population flow.I admit that this interest has unfair phenomenon,But how much is the real key to proportion.

  我看了外地家长们提出的一些方案,首先把北京跟美国纽约相比我觉得是毫无道理的。纽约教育支出占财政规划超过31%,这是不符合中国国情的。其次方案里把高中教育和高考作为北京市政府的义务,这是毫无根据的,因为现在高中阶段和高考是不属于义务教育这个概念范畴。

I saw the foreign parents put forward some solutions,The Beijing first with the American New York than I think there is no reason.New York education spending accounts for more than 31% of financial planning,It is not accord with the situation of China.Then the scheme of high school education and college entrance examination as the obligation of the Beijing municipal government,This is unfounded,Because now high school and college entrance examination is not belong to compulsory education the conceptual category.



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